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<<snip I agree and hope you won’t stop either. florida peacock bass I see the thermocline and look for it in the summer. I didn’t know that’s why it seems darker at times. Is it normal for it to appear 3-4 feet thick sometimes? I do look for an activity level (baitfish, plankton) while I’m trolling around in the launch cove. It does help to get a starting depth sometimes when you don’t get time to pre-fish. I hope Craig resumes his uncle Homer posts also.florida peacock bass

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As not one person sought fit to respond to the last trolling for answers post I made, this will most likely be the last I have to offer.

Yo Dan, I don’t know the answer, don’t have the foggiest,florida peacock bass I am depth finder/fish finder dumb.  But I would love to hear/see the answer.  I am interested in all bass fishing topics and feel I have a lot to learn.  Please continue your questions, ok

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TNBass wrote!! I encourage all of us to follow Dan’s example, drop the feuds and flames, and just get back to more satisfying conversation. I agree with you 100% TNBass!florida peacock bass!! I think it is time everyone just stays ON topic and talks bass fishing!! If you DO have anything to say to this troll just e-mail him and then maybe he go away!! (Lets Talk Bass Fishing!!) Gone Fishin “Catch & Release” Abe Watson

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Dan –Being a lurker most of the time I’ve got to say that I for one will miss  your trolling  for answers.I read them all and most of the time I’m able to take away some useful information.Just my .02cents           Ken Blevins – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Want to thank everyone for the kind comments. They are truly appreciated. As far as anymore tolling for answers…… Will see. Just very difficult to work up any enthusiasm with all the BS going on, flames, OT, and other distractions. Not going to go away but probably need to step back and lurk for awhile with the scattered post. Besides, I’ve got some videos to start editing. Dan As not one person sought fit to respond to the last trolling for answers post I made, this will most likely be the last I have to offer. Not able to generate enough interest to continue. From the looks of the recent developments in this group, talking about fishing has gone way down the list of things that are important. Anyway, so as not to leave any of the lurkers hanging and to finish the job I started….. The Thermocline can be seen on most sonar units in one of 3 ways. Note this only works in the summertime on waters that develop a thermocline in the first place. That rules out most current situations. 1. In the early morning it will show up as a dark line going across the graph as you motor across the lake. What is happening here is that much of the various planktons and zooplanktons in the lake have settled down onto the colder denser water that is the thermocline. They in effect sit there and are able to be detected by the sonar IF your gain is set high enough. This will generally last only until about 9am or so. Then the sun gets high enough up in the sky and the plankton/zooplankton moves up the water column to get closer to the sun’s light. When that happens the effect can no longer be detected. This usually works in stained and dirty water situations better than clear water. 2. The presence of baitfish, typically shad along a line in deep water and at a constant depth. this weekend while filming we noted most of the balls of shad congregating at the 40-45′ level. while we could find a lot of bait at other areas as well, the one consistent level was like someone had posted a sign saying shad stop hear. Very obvious. Balls of shad  all at the same level stretching all across the lake. This can be the indicator in clearer water or in lakes with huge bait populations. Note that seeing one or two balls of bait at a certain level is not enough. We found bait all over the lake. However the levels varied and much of it was obviously being pushed by predators. 3. The activity zone. If your waters do not have a huge bait supply, then you are left with a bit of detective work. Look for where you are seeing zones of fish activity. On many waters, particularly those that are shallow with lots of vegetation and mucky bottoms, the lowest zone that fish can exist is the thermocline due to oxygen depletion. You should be able to find a level where you are consistently seeing fish, but finding very few if any below that area. That should be the thermocline level. Note that this is the least reliable of the 3 due to several factors. On many lakes, there will be a thermocline but due to the structure or environment of the lake, you do not get oxygen depletion. Therefore fish are capable to live below the thermocline very comfortably all summer long. These lakes are usually highland or canyon style, very deep, or without a great deal of muck or vegetation. In that case you may find activity levels at several levels. 12′, 25′, 36′, and 50′ may all be areas where fish are congregating on a given day. In other words, the thermocline may be at 25′ but you can still find activity zones below that level. I have personally seen just that where the fish are at several specific levels. I have found a activity level at 12′, 24′, 36′ and 48′ on the same lake and the same day. It usually doesn’t work that way but it sure can. Hope this helps anyone who might have been interested. Dan

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Want to thank everyone for the kind comments. They are truly appreciated. As far as anymore tolling for answers…… Will see. Just very difficult to work up any enthusiasm with all the BS going on, flames, OT, and other distractions. Not going to go away but probably need to step back and lurk for awhile with the scattered post. Besides, I’ve got some videos to start editing. Dan

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As not one person sought fit to respond to the last trolling for answers post I made, this will most likely be the last I have to offer. Not able to generate enough interest to continue. From the looks of the recent developments in this group, talking about fishing has gone way down the list of things that are important. Anyway, so as not to leave any of the lurkers hanging and to finish the job I started….. The Thermocline can be seen on most sonar units in one of 3 ways. Note this only works in the summertime on waters that develop a thermocline in the first place. That rules out most current situations. 1. In the early morning it will show up as a dark line going across the graph as you motor across the lake. What is happening here is that much of the various planktons and zooplanktons in the lake have settled down onto the colder denser water that is the thermocline. They in effect sit there and are able to be detected by the sonar IF your gain is set high enough. This will generally last only until about 9am or so. Then the sun gets high enough up in the sky and the plankton/zooplankton moves up the water column to get closer to the sun’s light. When that happens the effect can no longer be detected. This usually works in stained and dirty water situations better than clear water. 2. The presence of baitfish, typically shad along a line in deep water and at a constant depth. this weekend while filming we noted most of the balls of shad congregating at the 40-45′ level. while we could find a lot of bait at other areas as well, the one consistent level was like someone had posted a sign saying shad stop hear. Very obvious. Balls of shad  all at the same level stretching all across the lake. This can be the indicator in clearer water or in lakes with huge bait populations. Note that seeing one or two balls of bait at a certain level is not enough. We found bait all over the lake. However the levels varied and much of it was obviously being pushed by predators. 3. The activity zone. If your waters do not have a huge bait supply, then you are left with a bit of detective work. Look for where you are seeing zones of fish activity. On many waters, particularly those that are shallow with lots of vegetation and mucky bottoms, the lowest zone that fish can exist is the thermocline due to oxygen depletion. You should be able to find a level where you are consistently seeing fish, but finding very few if any below that area. That should be the thermocline level. Note that this is the least reliable of the 3 due to several factors. On many lakes, there will be a thermocline but due to the structure or environment of the lake, you do not get oxygen depletion. Therefore fish are capable to live below the thermocline very comfortably all summer long. These lakes are usually highland or canyon style, very deep, or without a great deal of muck or vegetation. In that case you may find activity levels at several levels. 12′, 25′, 36′, and 50′ may all be areas where fish are congregating on a given day. In other words, the thermocline may be at 25′ but you can still find activity zones below that level. I have personally seen just that where the fish are at several specific levels. I have found a activity level at 12′, 24′, 36′ and 48′ on the same lake and the same day. It usually doesn’t work that way but it sure can. Hope this helps anyone who might have been interested. Dan

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Dan…     I began a responce to your question, but after typing it out, then reading it… I more or less didn’t have anything to contribute. I was highly interested in the question, and did a little research on the www. I was sorry that no-one had answered, but still I waited until you made the post to answer it. Believe it or not, I have every one of your “Trolling for Answers” printed out! I think they’re great, and please don’t stop. Please!

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As not one person sought fit to respond to the last trolling for answers post I made, this will most likely be the last I have to offer. Not able to generate enough interest to continue. From the looks of the recent developments in this group, talking about fishing has gone way down the list of things that are important. Anyway, so as not to leave any of the lurkers hanging and to finish the job I started….. The Thermocline can be seen on most sonar units in one of 3 ways. Note this only works in the summertime on waters that develop a thermocline in the first place. That rules out most current situations. 1. In the early morning it will show up as a dark line going across the graph as you motor across the lake. What is happening here is that much of the various planktons and zooplanktons in the lake have settled down onto the colder denser water that is the thermocline. They in effect sit there and are able to be detected by the sonar IF your gain is set high enough. This will generally last only until about 9am or so. Then the sun gets high enough up in the sky and the plankton/zooplankton moves up the water column to get closer to the sun’s light. When that happens the effect can no longer be detected. This usually works in stained and dirty water situations better than clear water. 2. The presence of baitfish, typically shad along a line in deep water and at a constant depth. this weekend while filming we noted most of the balls of shad congregating at the 40-45′ level. while we could find a lot of bait at other areas as well, the one consistent level was like someone had posted a sign saying shad stop hear. Very obvious. Balls of shad  all at the same level stretching all across the lake. This can be the indicator in clearer water or in lakes with huge bait populations. Note that seeing one or two balls of bait at a certain level is not enough. We found bait all over the lake. However the levels varied and much of it was obviously being pushed by predators. 3. The activity zone. If your waters do not have a huge bait supply, then you are left with a bit of detective work. Look for where you are seeing zones of fish activity. On many waters, particularly those that are shallow with lots of vegetation and mucky bottoms, the lowest zone that fish can exist is the thermocline due to oxygen depletion. You should be able to find a level where you are consistently seeing fish, but finding very few if any below that area. That should be the thermocline level. Note that this is the least reliable of the 3 due to several factors. On many lakes, there will be a thermocline but due to the structure or environment of the lake, you do not get oxygen depletion. Therefore fish are capable to live below the thermocline very comfortably all summer long. These lakes are usually highland or canyon style, very deep, or without a great deal of muck or vegetation. In that case you may find activity levels at several levels. 12′, 25′, 36′, and 50′ may all be areas where fish are congregating on a given day. In other words, the thermocline may be at 25′ but you can still find activity zones below that level. I have personally seen just that where the fish are at several specific levels. I have found a activity level at 12′, 24′, 36′ and 48′ on the same lake and the same day. It usually doesn’t work that way but it sure can. Hope this helps anyone who might have been interested. Dan

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As not one person sought fit to respond to the last trolling for answers post I made, this will most likely be the last I have to offer. Not able to generate enough interest to continue. From the looks of the recent developments in this group, talking about fishing has gone way down the list of things that are important. Anyway, so as not to leave any of the lurkers hanging and to finish the job I started….. The Thermocline can be seen on most sonar units in one of 3 ways. Note this only works in the summertime on waters that develop a thermocline in the first place. That rules out most current situations. 1. In the early morning it will show up as a dark line going across the graph as you motor across the lake. What is happening here is that much of the various planktons and zooplanktons in the lake have settled down onto the colder denser water that is the thermocline. They in effect sit there and are able to be detected by the sonar IF your gain is set high enough. This will generally last only until about 9am or so. Then the sun gets high enough up in the sky and the plankton/zooplankton moves up the water column to get closer to the sun’s light. When that happens the effect can no longer be detected. This usually works in stained and dirty water situations better than clear water. 2. The presence of baitfish, typically shad along a line in deep water and at a constant depth. this weekend while filming we noted most of the balls of shad congregating at the 40-45′ level. while we could find a lot of bait at other areas as well, the one consistent level was like someone had posted a sign saying shad stop hear. Very obvious. Balls of shad  all at the same level stretching all across the lake. This can be the indicator in clearer water or in lakes with huge bait populations. Note that seeing one or two balls of bait at a certain level is not enough. We found bait all over the lake. However the levels varied and much of it was obviously being pushed by predators. 3. The activity zone. If your waters do not have a huge bait supply, then you are left with a bit of detective work. Look for where you are seeing zones of fish activity. On many waters, particularly those that are shallow with lots of vegetation and mucky bottoms, the lowest zone that fish can exist is the thermocline due to oxygen depletion. You should be able to find a level where you are consistently seeing fish, but finding very few if any below that area. That should be the thermocline level. Note that this is the least reliable of the 3 due to several factors. On many lakes, there will be a thermocline but due to the structure or environment of the lake, you do not get oxygen depletion. Therefore fish are capable to live below the thermocline very comfortably all summer long. These lakes are usually highland or canyon style, very deep, or without a great deal of muck or vegetation. In that case you may find activity levels at several levels. 12′, 25′, 36′, and 50′ may all be areas where fish are congregating on a given day. In other words, the thermocline may be at 25′ but you can still find activity zones below that level. I have personally seen just that where the fish are at several specific levels. I have found a activity level at 12′, 24′, 36′ and 48′ on the same lake and the same day. It usually doesn’t work that way but it sure can. Hope this helps anyone who might have been interested. Dan

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I wish I could have answered but your answers were much better than anything that I could come up with. — The Official Website of the ROFBMP Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Thank you, Dan. Thorough and useful, too. As witnessed in nature, we tend to live life in cycles. Eventually this group will revolve back around to discussions of black bass fishing, lures, tips, and techniques. Your’s was a valuable contribution toward moving us back on track. I encourage all of us to follow Dan’s example, drop the feuds and flames, and just get back to more satisfying conversation. TNBass

As not one person sought fit to respond to the last trolling for answers post I made, this will most likely be the last I have to offer. Not able to generate enough interest to continue. From the looks of the recent developments in this group, talking about fishing has gone way down the list of things that are important. Anyway, so as not to leave any of the lurkers hanging and to finish the job I started….. The Thermocline can be seen on most sonar units in one of 3 ways. Note this only works in the summertime on waters that develop a thermocline in the first place. That rules out most current situations. 1. In the early morning it will show up as a dark line going across the graph as you motor across the lake. What is happening here is that much of the various planktons and zooplanktons in the lake have settled down onto the colder denser water that is the thermocline. They in effect sit there and are able to be detected by the sonar IF your gain is set high enough. This will generally last only until about 9am or so. Then the sun gets high enough up in the sky and the plankton/zooplankton moves up the water column to get closer to the sun’s light. When that happens the effect can no longer be detected. This usually works in stained and dirty water situations better than clear water. 2. The presence of baitfish, typically shad along a line in deep water and at a constant depth. this weekend while filming we noted most of the balls of shad congregating at the 40-45′ level. while we could find a lot of bait at other areas as well, the one consistent level was like someone had posted a sign saying shad stop hear. Very obvious. Balls of shad  all at the same level stretching all across the lake. This can be the indicator in clearer water or in lakes with huge bait populations. Note that seeing one or two balls of bait at a certain level is not enough. We found bait all over the lake. However the levels varied and much of it was obviously being pushed by predators. 3. The activity zone. If your waters do not have a huge bait supply, then you are left with a bit of detective work. Look for where you are seeing zones of fish activity. On many waters, particularly those that are shallow with lots of vegetation and mucky bottoms, the lowest zone that fish can exist is the thermocline due to oxygen depletion. You should be able to find a level where you are consistently seeing fish, but finding very few if any below that area. That should be the thermocline level. Note that this is the least reliable of the 3 due to several factors. On many lakes, there will be a thermocline but due to the structure or environment of the lake, you do not get oxygen depletion. Therefore fish are capable to live below the thermocline very comfortably all summer long. These lakes are usually highland or canyon style, very deep, or without a great deal of muck or vegetation. In that case you may find activity levels at several levels. 12′, 25′, 36′, and 50′ may all be areas where fish are congregating on a given day. In other words, the thermocline may be at 25′ but you can still find activity zones below that level. I have personally seen just that where the fish are at several specific levels. I have found a activity level at 12′, 24′, 36′ and 48′ on the same lake and the same day. It usually doesn’t work that way but it sure can. Hope this helps anyone who might have been interested. Dan

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