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I use to wade the upper Patuxent River in Laurel MD.fishing and bass plug It’s pretty tight for a fly rod though. Not many people fish it as a matter of fact most people were amazed I even caught fish out of it. The biggest there was just over 4lbs. If you go to Dickerson right now youell be in smallie heaven.. Fish the power plant outflow, Ive taken numerous smallies out of there with snow on the ground..fishing and bass plug. Cat’s and Crappie are pretty heavy there too.. Dickerson is about an hour drive but to fish in mid winter it’s well worth it:) Good Luck! fishing and bass plug Anybody know any good wading spots on the Potomac? I’m going to be getting into flyfishing for smallmouth (and sunfish, when all else fails) next Spring and I’d appreciate any locations you’d care to share, especially those fairly close to D.C. Also, I’ve heard mention of pretty decent streams/creeks in Great Falls, VA (tributaries of the Potomac) where you can flyfish/ultralight spin for smallies as well, but don’t have any details. If you could share where to park and how to get there, etc., I’d appreciate it, or references to USGS quad maps, etc. General info. or details would be appreciated. If you care to email me directly, please remove NOSPAM from my email address. Thanks,

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Back in the 70’s I fished a place called Difficult Run near Great Falls on the Potomac.  It is about a mile hike through the woods to the river. Caught huge catfish there with chicken livers and minnows.fishing and bass plug  Wasn’t going after bass that day.  I understand the Potomac has become a first class bass fishery since those days. Don Allen, TX

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody know any good wading spots on the Potomac? I’m going to be getting into flyfishing for smallmouth (and sunfish, when all else fails) next Spring and I’d appreciate any locations you’d care to share, especially those fairly close to D.C. Also, I’ve heard mention of pretty decent streams/creeks in Great Falls, VA (tributaries of the Potomac) where you can flyfish/ultralight spin for smallies as well, but don’t have any details. If you could share where to park and how to get there, etc., I’d appreciate it, or references to USGS quad maps, etc. General info. or details would be appreciated. If you care to email me directly, please remove NOSPAM from my email address. Thanks, Jamie

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Glad I could help some.  I would skip the cliff jumping.  My last trip there I saw somebody hauled away on an ambulance stretcher after getting seriously hurt on one of those cliff jumps. My first cast at the mouth of Difficult Run and the Potomac my pole bent over double and all I had on the end of my hook was my the remains of my baited minnow with what looked like teeth marks.  It had been chewed in half!  Thought there must be piranha in those waters.  It was just huge catfish. Did sneak in about 5 hours of bass fishing today at Ray Roberts (Buck Creek).  No hits at all.  Water temp 39 degrees.  Didn’t mark very many fish on my sonar either. Lost my Secret Weapon Mudburger spinner bait due to a lousy knot I tied. Fished with a chartreuse DD-22 crankbait, black and blue tube with 1/16 weedless jig head, a dropshot rig with finesse worm, jigged a brown plastic crawfish…. they just plain weren’t interested today.  Any colder and I will need an auger to go fishing.  :-( The water was way too muddy to use my AquaVu camera although I tried it. Saw what appeared to be a bass come up and take a look at the camera when I turned on the multicolored lights (part of the lens assembly). My Bass Pro Shops 100MPH Bone Dry rain suit got an initial test.  I have to say that I do LIKE this suit!!  Although it does not have thinsulate I just wore several layers of clothing underneath it.  It did a nice job of keeping the wind out.  The air temp was 42-48 degrees today and I stayed fairly warm. So far I would give it two thumbs up.  Should be able to wear this rain gear year round.  My favorite part of the jacket is the 5 inch wide fleece collar that wraps around and can be secured with velcro to keep your neck warm and even your mouth and lower part of your nose warm if desired. Would like to find a better pair of gloves for fishing.  Any recommendations out there? Don Allen, TX

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll give Difficult Run a shot in the Spring. I know the area, as we’d skip class in high school and go swimming and cliff jumping in Difficult Run itself. Never hiked all the way to the Potomac, though. I’ll throw in a line for some catfish while I’m there, too. Thanks, Jamie Back in the 70’s I fished a place called Difficult Run near Great Falls on the Potomac.  It is about a mile hike through the woods to the river. Caught huge catfish there with chicken livers and minnows.  Wasn’t going after bass that day.  I understand the Potomac has become a first class bass fishery since those days. Don Allen, TX Anybody know any good wading spots on the Potomac? I’m going to be getting into flyfishing for smallmouth (and sunfish, when all else fails) next Spring and I’d appreciate any locations you’d care to share, especially those fairly close to D.C. Also, I’ve heard mention of pretty decent streams/creeks in Great Falls, VA (tributaries of the Potomac) where you can flyfish/ultralight spin for smallies as well, but don’t have any details. If you could share where to park and how to get there, etc., I’d appreciate it, or references to USGS quad maps, etc. General info. or details would be appreciated. If you care to email me directly, please remove NOSPAM from my email address. Thanks, Jamie

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You know exactly what you’re doing buddy.stratus bass fishing  If you woulda told me just 6 months ago that RM & BR1 woulda been spending a day on the water together I’d have laid you odds.  Man, there’s a whole crew of folks on this GREAT newsgroup that I’d love to fish with.stratus bass fishing  I’m fortunate though, cause I’ve fished with about a dozen of them over 5 or 6 states. Warren

stratus bass fishing- YOU DA MAN!  I wanna fish with you, big fella! Warren <blush Gee, thanks. With all the events being spun off the MidTn Classic (a hearty WELL DONE ! to TnBass and RodMaker BTW) there should be an opportunity for most anyone to get together with other folks on the newsgroup to wet a line. I hope to do just that and was sorry I had to cancel out of the MidTn event. I did get to spend some time camping in the mountains of western North Carolina and fishing with friends from Georgia, Ohio and North Carolina from the flyfishing newsgroup but due to an eleventh hour change in plans  stratus bass fishing I had to be home Saturday instead of Sunday. This electronic communication has serious limitations that are almost immediately transcended when fishermen meet face to face and lifelong friendships can be formed where there might have existed electronic animosity, as I’m sure the guys from the MidTn Classic will attest. If you read this group regularly and like what you read, I recommend you hie thyself to the next Classic in your area. It’ll be the time of your life .

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YOU DA MAN!  I wanna fish with you, big fella!stratus bass fishing

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YOU DA MAN!  I wanna fish with you, big fella! stratus bass fishing

<blush Gee, thanks. With all the events being spun off the MidTn Classic (a hearty WELL DONE ! to TnBass and RodMaker BTW) there should be an opportunity for most anyone to get together with other folks on the newsgroup to wet a line. I hope to do just that and was sorry I had to cancel out of the MidTn event.stratus bass fishing  I did get to spend some time camping in the mountains of western North Carolina and fishing with friends from Georgia, Ohio and North Carolina from the flyfishing newsgroup but due to an eleventh hour change in plans I had to be home Saturday instead of Sunday. This electronic communication has serious limitations that are almost immediately transcended when fishermen meet face to face and lifelong friendships can be formed where there might have existed electronic animosity, as I’m sure the guys from the MidTn Classic will attest. If you read this group regularly and like what you read, I recommend you hie thyself to the next Classic in your area. It’ll be the time of your life. — Ken Fortenberry

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: I feel , however,little miame Bass Flyfishing that it takes the fun and : challenge out of using a flyrod. Nonsense…this spinfly line could be used by those who don’t normally use flies as a lead-in to “real” fly fishing…i think fly fisherman are shaking in their pants b/c little miame Bass Flyfishing this line allows the “unwashed masses” of fisherman access to fish and rivers which have been off-limmits to spin fisherman for decades…(b/c of regulations or the finicy nature of wild trout)…just my two cents…

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this spinfly line could be used by those who don’t normally use flies as a lead-in to “real” fly fishing.little miame Bass Flyfishing..

I agree.  While I have one friend that is currently into fly-fishing, and another that is stumbling his way into it, I don’t have the opportunity to take it up yet.  Ridiculous yearly spending caps combined with rotation of who gets what spent on their equipment in my household mean that it will be a couple of years before I can enter the world of true fly-fishing.little miame Bass Flyfishing..wives can be such a pain  ;)  These spinflys may give me the opportunity to learn a little before I actually start spending money on my rig.

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There is a 300 Grain Spinflyline that is 23 inches long, 3/4 oze., for 14# test and up. Perhaps that would be sufficient for pike flies?

Do you know where I can find more information on this?  I phoned Cabalas, and they hadn’t heard of it.

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Do you know where I can find more information on this?  I phoned Cabalas, and they hadn’t heard of it.

I don’t think Cabela’s would have them. It is a very new product. I did post the following information which would be of help :- “I have scanned some pages and put the on my website for download at “www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/spinfly.zip”.  For more information you might want to call Skip or Jade Halterman at 1-800-752-7132. Say you found it on the fishing Newsgroups on Internet”. Good fishing Ron Looi  ~       ~~    ~   ~   ..|..    ~           __|__                  ~ ~       /             o  o     o  o         ~     ~~  /~~   |   X    |                                /*_ .//     |||. /_  ||| ||..               ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’                                     <  <, Peacock Bass – “www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/”    <<

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The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do.

This sounds interesting – hope someone posts a report on it after the show. On a somewhat-related note, does anyone have any experience with using casting bubbles for big Pike flies?

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Is this what they used to call “spinning tapers”?  They were 14-16′ long and you cast  them with a spinning rod.  The one I had was a Sunset or Courtland and was a size G-A  ( this was in the 60s – before numbers).   It work fair on a spinning rod.  It worked best on a fly rod tied directly to the backing You could get a lot of distance out of it.  After I got rid of it I read some of shooting heads and shooting lines.  Do they still sell them?   The long distances you could get didn’t require a lot of room behind you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The new Spinfly Line for flyfishing with a spinning rod will be featured on ESPN’s Fishing Hole (Bob McKinnis) this Saturday at 0730 Central Time. The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do. BTW, could someone from the Pacific coast advice when this same show would be on the air. Ron Looi  ~       ~~    ~ ~   ..|..    ~           __|__                  ~ ~       /             o  o     o  o         ~     ~~  /~~   |   X    |                                /*_ .//     |||. /_  ||| ||..               ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’                                     <  <, Peacock Bass – “www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/”    <<

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I saw the show this morning.  Jerry and the inventor, or marketer, were fishing a trout river for rainbow and brown’s.  They were using it to cast mini jigs according to Jerry.  It was as I said in my original post.  They did seem to get pretty good distance with it and I am sure it is much less obtrusive than a casting bubble to the fish.  Seemed like a nice alternative for the non-flyfisher.  Also, I do think Cabela’s handles them. Jay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is this what they used to call “spinning tapers”?  They were 14-16′ long and you cast  them with a spinning rod.  The one I had was a Sunset or Courtland and was a size G-A  ( this was in the 60s – before numbers). It work fair on a spinning rod.  It worked best on a fly rod tied directly to the backing You could get a lot of distance out of it.  After I got rid of it I read some of shooting heads and shooting lines.  Do they still sell them? The long distances you could get didn’t require a lot of room behind you. The new Spinfly Line for flyfishing with a spinning rod will be featured on ESPN’s Fishing Hole (Bob McKinnis) this Saturday at 0730 Central Time. The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do. BTW, could someone from the Pacific coast advice when this same show would be on the air. Ron Looi  ~       ~~    ~ ~   ..|..    ~           __|__                  ~ ~       /             o  o     o  o         ~     ~~  /~~   |   X    |                                /*_ .//     |||. /_  ||| ||..               ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’                                     <  <, Peacock Bass – “www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/”    <<

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The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do. This sounds interesting – hope someone posts a report on it after the show.

I cannot write a report until I have actually tried one out. I seems very easy to cast and when I called Skip Halterman to ask if it would be as easy as it seems he replied with a positive yes, provided we use the appropriate tackle for each spinfly line. I have scanned some pages and put the on my website for download at “www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/spinfly.zip”.  For more information you might want to call Skip or Jade Halterman at 1-800-752-7132. Say you found it on the fishing Newsgroups on Internet On a somewhat-related note, does anyone have any experience with using casting bubbles for big Pike flies?

There is a 300 Grain Spinflyline that is 23 inches long, 3/4 oze., for 14# test and up. Perhaps that would be sufficient for pike flies? Good Fishing. Ron Looi  ~       ~~    ~   ~   ..|..    ~           __|__                  ~ ~       /             o  o     o  o         ~     ~~  /~~   |   X    |                                /*_ .//     |||. /_  ||| ||..               ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’                                     <  <, Peacock Bass – “www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/”    <<

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We carry the new Spin Fly lines and would be happy to mail order them to anyone interested.  They are just beginning to get attention here, but have sold very well in Japan over the last year or so (go figure).  You can email us or call us at 1-888-200-0364, toll-free, for details. Check out our Spring Specials at http://www.flash.net/~rhart Lauren Hart, Brazos FlyFishers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a 300 Grain Spinflyline that is 23 inches long, 3/4 oze., for 14# test and up. Perhaps that would be sufficient for pike flies? Do you know where I can find more information on this?  I phoned Cabalas, and they hadn’t heard of it.

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I have been involved in a foucus group for a well known fly fishing equipment manufacturer who has recently expanded their line to include high end spinning rods. We have been provided 7 through 9wt equivelent WF floating line for these spinning rods, which allow the use of commonly used flies. Keep watching for details. Marshal A. Mellow Senior Tester

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The new Spinfly Line for flyfishing with a spinning rod will be featured on ESPN’s Fishing Hole (Bob McKinnis) this Saturday at 0730 Central Time. The Spinfly Line alows anglers to cast conventional flies with spinning rods and is supposed to be easy to do. BTW, could someone from the Pacific coast advice when this same show would be on the air. Ron Looi  ~       ~~    ~   ~   ..|..    ~           __|__                  ~ ~       /             o  o     o  o         ~     ~~  /~~   |   X    |                                /*_ .//     |||. /_  ||| ||..               ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’                                     <  <, Peacock Bass – “www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/”    <<

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The new Spinfly Line for flyfishing with a spinning rod will be featured on ESPN’s Fishing Hole (Bob McKinnis) this Saturday at 0730 Central Time.

Hi Ron,..Are they any good ? Have you tried any ?Any chance of sending some over ? I feel , however, that it takes the fun and challenge out of using a flyrod. Tonywee.

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Hi Ron,..Are they any good ? Have you tried any ?Any chance of sending some over ? I feel , however, that it takes the fun and challenge out of using a flyrod.

Have not tried them yet and a lot of people here have not even seen it yet or know what the heck I am talking about. I hope someone on the Pacific coast could tell me when ESPN’s Fishing Hole will be on the air this Saturday morning so that I could watch it in action for the first time. Ron Looi  ~       ~~    ~   ~   ..|..    ~           __|__                  ~ ~       /             o  o     o  o         ~     ~~  /~~   |   X    |                                /*_ .//     |||. /_  ||| ||..               ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’                                     <  <, Peacock Bass – “www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/”    <<

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I received one of these outfits to field test this past fall and the thing is GREAT. I have had a great time catching just about everything in Arizona that will take a fly. It is easy to use and works like a charm. MMiconi

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I think that I saw these last year in Cabela’s big fishing catalog.  It is basically a section of floating flyline about 14 inches long with a little bulge in the middle and loops on both ends.  Maybe it’s the worlds shortest double taper!  Anyhow, it would be fun for someone that had a difficult time with a flyrod.  Might pick one up for one of my younger daugthers to use since a flyrod is still too difficult and they like tying their own flies. Right now they use the clear casting bubbles. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Ron,..Are they any good ? Have you tried any ?Any chance of sending some over ? I feel , however, that it takes the fun and challenge out of using a flyrod. Have not tried them yet and a lot of people here have not even seen it yet or know what the heck I am talking about. I hope someone on the Pacific coast could tell me when ESPN’s Fishing Hole will be on the air this Saturday morning so that I could watch it in action for the first time. Ron Looi ~       ~~    ~ ~   ..|..    ~           __|__                  ~ ~     /             o  o     o  o         ~     ~~  /~~  |   X    |                                /*_ .//     |||. /_  ||| ||..               ^ . ~//_^ / . -/ / – Boeing Fishin’                                     <  <, Peacock Bass – “www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/”    <<

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Although not a bass fishing river,largemouth bass fly fishing I am posting this about the Mecan River to catch the attention of any bass fisherman that also have an interest in coldwater fisheries. This is an alert to all those who fish in Wisconsin or have interest in preservation of coldwater fishery resources.. The Appleton newspaper recently reported that the Perrier Water bottling company is seeking permits to sink a well into the springs at the headwaters of the Mecan river and then construct a plant in Richford to bottle and ship the water. The Mecan River (near Coloma, WI)  is one of the coldwater crown jewels of Wisconsin flyfishing. Although called a “river”, the size of the Mecan is closer to what most would term a stream. It can be waded easily almost anywhere and in most areas is 10-15 yards wide.largemouth bass fly fishing The relatively small size and low volume of total flow make the Mecan very susceptible to degradation by removing water and increasing water temperatures. It is in the mid-southern part of the state and is a class A trout stream. This means it is currently in excellent condition, has an excellent natural food supply and supports naturally reproducing trout populations. A few years back a study of the insect life in the Mecan found that it had one of the healthiest insect populations, in numbers and in diversity, of any of the rivers that were examined. The Mecan River is almost entirely fed by coldwater springs, some along its length but mostly in the headwaters area. The Mecan River is renowned for its prolific mayfly hatches and consistent water temperatures. It has excellent trout fishing along its length down to where it empties into Germania marsh. The Perrier Water bottling company is proposing to sink a well into the headwaters area of the Mecan river. This well will withdraw large amounts of water which will be piped to a proposed plant in Richford. After processing, the remnant water will be put back into the river. The process for producing bottled water involves filtering and treatment for hardness. This can concentrate salts and warms the remnant water put back in the river. The net effect of this project is likely to be that the water table and the production of water from the springs at the headwaters will be reduced, river flow will be reduced, the water temperature of the river will increase, and the concentration of salts or other materials will be increased in the river below the Richford area. This will negatively impact the majority of the Mecan River flowage. This issue has not been well publicized and so far has been happening under the horizon line of public scrutiny. I do not know what phase of the permitting process this is in at this time but it is certainly not too late for input.largemouth bass fly fishing I would urge any of you that have interest in preservation of coldwater fisheries and in Midwestern trout fishing to contact your local conservation organizations or state representatives, to follow this issue closely and make your voices heard regarding the potential damage to one of Wisconsin’s premier trout streams.

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This is a followup largemouth bass fly fishing to my previous post regarding the current threat to the Mecan River is Wisconsin. Perrier Bottling Co. and the WI DNR have had preliminary meetings which have included the WI Dept. of Commerce regarding the proposal to withdraw water from the shallow ground water table at the headwaters of the Mecan.. Perrier is now preparing more detailed proposals and will come back to the table to apply for permitting. Until the permit process is formally in progress, none of this is open to the public. However, once the permit process begins, it progressively becomes more difficult to oppose this project. The DNR and Dept. of Commerce appear to be trying to run the initial phase through during the holiday when public attention to these issues is likely to be limited. The time to best oppose this is now, before the formal permitting process begins. If you have an interest in this issue you should contact George Meyer, Sec. of the DNR and Brenda Blanchard, Sec. of the Dept. of Commerce. I would suggest the best approach is to let them know that a) you realize that planning of this project is in an early preliminary stage but b) you want to voice your opinion on this proposal and then let them know how you feel about its inadvisability.largemouth bass fly fishing  At this stage public input is critical and is likely to have the most impact. If the DNR and Dept. of Commerce get a sense of a large groundswell of opposition to this project it is likely that they will squelch it or look at other less environmentally sensitive sites for this plant rather than engage in a politically damaging public battle. Contact information is: George Meyer Sec. of the DNR 608-266-2121 Brenda Blanchard Sec. of the Dept. of Commerce 608-8976

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TU is involved. So is the Alliance largemouth bass fly fishing for Rivers and I believe the Sierra Club is as well. There is no doubt that some reasoned and rational objections can go a long way and that emotions do not hold sway- make your voice heard now. Currently, there are a number of lawyers that have taken an interest, a professional environmental engineering consultant and many people at the grassroots level. We do need more grassroots support to show that lots of voices will be raised. There are a number of attacks on this process going on now at several levels. Included below is some information that we have found out in the last 24 hours. Action item: Call or email your senator, representative, George Meyers, Brenda Blanchard or Gov. Thompson. The more sense these people get that the public is not happy with their secret planning and intent, the more likely that they will can this proposal. Make your voice heard now, before the holiday. Emails and phone numbers are at the bottom of this post. See points 5 and 8 below for important points to make in your communications with these people. New Information: Update from the 12/20/99 meeting in Oshkosh between the DNR and Perrier to discuss the proposed water bottling operations at the Mecan River headwaters.  The following information was obtained: 1.  Perrier has bought the purchase options on 282 acres just east of the Mecan River headwaters as well as for considerable other property in the area.  As part of the land purchase option agreement, reportedly the land owners were prohibited from talking to anyone about the potential land sale. It seems likely that this purchase and the subsequent changes that were made would not have been invested in by Perrier without some tacit approval by the DNR and the State. 2.  The company has already sunk a 10-inch diameter pumping well and four observation wells on the purchased land.  These wells have likely been used to determine the viability of removing shallow groundwater in the vicinity of the Mecan River headwaters and may be used for future water bottling. 3.  Perrier continues to seek an easement or approval from the DNR to install a pumping well on state-owned land, directly within the Mecan springs and headwaters area.  This is needed by the company  in order to label their product “spring water”.  The proposed well to be located on public land will be installed approximately 100 feet deep and would remove approximately 350 gallons per minute from the springs and shallow aquifer. 4.  The state-owned land surrounding the headwaters includes a designated nature area, wetlands, and several threatened and endangered species, according to the DNR’s 1985 master land use plan for the Mecan River area. The DNR’s master land use plan states that a primary intended use of the headwaters and Mecan River valley is recreational (e.g., fishing and hunting, bird watching, etc.).  Over $2,000,000 of state funds (obtained from fishing licenses and taxes on fishing equipment) have been used by the DNR to purchase most of the land surrounding the headwaters and large land tracks adjacent to the Mecan River.  These land purchases have been ongoing for decades by the DNR. 5.  Despite the DNR’s master land use plan for this unique cold water fishery, the DNR is NOT REQUIRING THAT PERRIER CONDUCT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT to determine the overall impacts to the Mecan River ecosystem. Make your voice heard that an environmental assessment should be considered a mandatory part of such a project. 6.  Perrier will be required to obtain a number state permits to build and operate the pumping and bottling facilities, such as a high capacity well permit, a Chapter 30 permit to evaluate possible structures in a navigable waterway, likely an air discharge permit, and possibly an effluent discharge permit for residual waters from the bottling plant to the Mecan River.  Details of the proposed bottling operations are not known at this time.  However, these permit aquisitions will require public notice and comment periods, if requested by the public.  The Waushara Argus (Wautoma, Wisconsin) is the local newspaper where permit notices will be posted.    It has recently been confirmed that Perrier does intend to do plastic bottle manufacturing at the site, hence the need for an air discharge permit. Plastics manufacturing will entail both air and plastics manufacturing residuals discharges. These can be quite nasty after plastics manufacturing and will further degrade the area. 7.  Perrier has been working on this project for at least one year.  They have flown the area and developed detailed topographic site maps of the Mecan springs and headwaters. Most likely, they have developed a preliminary design of the pumping and bottling facilities because that level of project detail is needed to submit permit applications to the DNR. It is clear that they have not done this in a vacuum but have likely been working with DNR in secret and are now trying to push through various aspects of the process over the holidays when people tend not to be as attentive to these kind of things. 8.  The DNR is requiring that a groundwater study be performed to look at drawdown effects from the proposed pumping operations.  It is unknown whether Perrier’s hired consultant or an objective 3rd party (e.g., US Geological Survey) will be performing the study. Initially, a consultant hired by Perrier was going to do the study but now it is possible that the USGS, a group that will produce objective results, will be asked to do this. Make sure you request that an objective third party do any environmental or feasibility studies on this project. If you are interested in protecting the Mecan River, please contact George Meyer’s office, Tommy Thompson’s office, and the Department of Commerce to voice your opinion and concerns.  It is also essential that as the permitting process moves forward, that we actively participate in public meetings and formal comment periods. George Meyer Sec. of the DNR 608-266-2121 Brenda Blanchard Sec. of the Dept. of Commerce 608-8976 State representatives list at: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/leginfo/asmmail.html State senators list at: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/leginfo/senmail.html Gov. Tommy Thompson Mailing Address:     P.O. Box 7863     Madison, WI                        53707         Voice: (608) 266-1212          Fax: (608) 267-8983

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Beware people of Wis. Perrier will suck you dry , please visit my website www.saveourspringsinc.org     Terri Wolfe President Save Our Springs Inc. In article   Jon McAnulty TU is involved. So is the Alliance for Rivers

and I believe the Sierra Club is as well. There is no doubt that some reasoned and rational objections can go a long way and that

emotions do not hold sway- make your voice heard now. Currently, there are a

number of lawyers that have taken an interest, a professional environmental

engineering consultant and many people at the grassroots level. We do need more

grassroots support to show that lots of voices will be raised. There are a

number of attacks on this process going on now at several levels. Included below

is some information that we have found out in the last 24 hours. Action item: Call or email your senator,

representative, George Meyers, Brenda Blanchard or Gov. Thompson. The more sense these people get that the public is not happy

with their secret planning and intent, the more likely that they will can this proposal. Make your voice heard now, before the holiday.

Emails and phone numbers are at the bottom of this post. See points 5 and 8 below for important points to make in your

communications with these people. New Information: Update from the 12/20/99 meeting in Oshkosh

between the DNR and Perrier to discuss the proposed water bottling operations at the Mecan River headwaters.  The following

information was obtained: 1.  Perrier has bought the purchase options on

282 acres just east of the Mecan River headwaters as well as for considerable

other property in the area.  As part of the land purchase option agreement,

reportedly the land owners were prohibited from talking to anyone about the

potential land sale. It seems likely that this purchase and the subsequent

changes that were made would not have been invested in by Perrier without some

tacit approval by the DNR and the State. 2.  The company has already sunk a 10-inch

diameter pumping well and four observation wells on the purchased land.  These wells have likely been used to determine the

viability of removing shallow groundwater in the vicinity of the Mecan River headwaters and may be used for future water bottling. 3.  Perrier continues to seek an easement or

approval from the DNR to install a pumping well on state-owned land, directly within the Mecan springs and headwaters area.  This is

needed by the company  in order to label their product “spring water”.  The proposed well to be located on public land will

be installed approximately 100 feet deep and would remove approximately 350 gallons per minute from the springs and shallow aquifer. 4.  The state-owned land surrounding the

headwaters includes a designated nature area, wetlands, and several threatened and endangered species, according to the DNR’s 1985

master land use plan for the Mecan River area. The DNR’s master land use plan states that a primary intended use of the

headwaters and Mecan River valley is recreational (e.g., fishing and hunting, bird watching, etc.).  Over $2,000,000 of state

funds (obtained from fishing licenses and taxes on fishing equipment) have been used by the DNR to purchase most of the land

surrounding the headwaters and large land tracks adjacent to the Mecan River.  These land purchases have been ongoing for decades by the DNR. 5.  Despite the DNR’s master land use plan for

this unique cold water fishery, the DNR is NOT REQUIRING THAT PERRIER CONDUCT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT to

determine the overall impacts to the Mecan River ecosystem. Make your voice heard that an environmental

assessment should be considered a mandatory part of such a project. 6.  Perrier will be required to obtain a number

state permits to build and operate the pumping and bottling facilities, such as a high capacity well permit, a Chapter 30 permit to

evaluate possible structures in a navigable waterway, likely an air discharge permit, and possibly an effluent discharge permit for

residual waters from the bottling plant to the Mecan River.  Details of the proposed bottling operations are not known at this

time.  However, these permit aquisitions will require public notice and comment periods, if requested by the public.  The Waushara Argus

(Wautoma, Wisconsin) is the local newspaper where permit notices will be posted.    It has recently been confirmed that Perrier

does intend to do plastic bottle manufacturing at the site, hence the need for

an air discharge permit. Plastics manufacturing will entail both air and

plastics manufacturing residuals discharges. These can be quite nasty

after plastics manufacturing and will further degrade the area. 7.  Perrier has been working on this project

for at least one year.  They have flown the area and developed detailed topographic site maps of the Mecan springs and headwaters.

Most likely, they have developed a preliminary design of the pumping and bottling facilities because that level of project detail

is needed to submit permit applications to the DNR. It is clear that they have not done this in a vacuum but have likely been working

with DNR in secret and are now trying to push through various aspects of the process over the holidays when people tend not

to be as attentive to these kind of things. 8.  The DNR is requiring that a groundwater

study be performed to look at drawdown effects from the proposed pumping operations.  It is unknown whether Perrier’s

hired consultant or an objective 3rd party (e.g., US Geological Survey) will be performing the study. Initially, a consultant

hired by Perrier was going to do the study but now it is possible that the USGS, a group that will produce objective results, will be

asked to do this. Make sure you request that an objective third party do any environmental or feasibility studies on this project. If you are interested in protecting the Mecan

River, please contact George Meyer’s office, Tommy Thompson’s office, and the Department of Commerce to voice your opinion

and concerns.  It is also essential that as the permitting process moves forward, that we actively participate in public meetings

and formal comment periods. George Meyer Sec. of the DNR 608-266-2121 Brenda Blanchard Sec. of the Dept. of Commerce 608-8976 State representatives list at:

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/leginfo/asmmail.html State senators list at:

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/leginfo/senmail.html Gov. Tommy Thompson Mailing Address:     P.O. Box 7863     Madison, WI                        53707         Voice: (608) 266-1212          Fax: (608) 267-8983

Before you buy.

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Please check out my website , Perrier has a reputation for drying springs and wells . I can help you .    www.saveourspringsinc.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – TU is involved. So is the Alliance for Rivers and I believe the Sierra Club is as well. There is no doubt that some reasoned and rational objections can go a long way and that emotions do not hold sway- make your voice heard now. Currently, there are a number of lawyers that have taken an interest, a professional environmental engineering consultant and many people at the grassroots level. We do need more grassroots support to show that lots of voices will be raised. There are a number of attacks on this process going on now at several levels. Included below is some information that we have found out in the last 24 hours. Action item: Call or email your senator, representative, George Meyers, Brenda Blanchard or Gov. Thompson. The more sense these people get that the public is not happy with their secret planning and intent, the more likely that they will can this proposal. Make your voice heard now, before the holiday. Emails and phone numbers are at the bottom of this post. See points 5 and 8 below for important points to make in your communications with these people. New Information: Update from the 12/20/99 meeting in Oshkosh between the DNR and Perrier to discuss the proposed water bottling operations at the Mecan River headwaters.  The following information was obtained: 1.  Perrier has bought the purchase options on 282 acres just east of the Mecan River headwaters as well as for considerable other property in the area.  As part of the land purchase option agreement, reportedly the land owners were prohibited from talking to anyone about the potential land sale. It seems likely that this purchase and the subsequent changes that were made would not have been invested in by Perrier without some tacit approval by the DNR and the State. 2.  The company has already sunk a 10-inch diameter pumping well and four observation wells on the purchased land.  These wells have likely been used to determine the viability of removing shallow groundwater in the vicinity of the Mecan River headwaters and may be used for future water bottling. 3.  Perrier continues to seek an easement or approval from the DNR to install a pumping well on state-owned land, directly within the Mecan springs and headwaters area.  This is needed by the company  in order to label their product “spring water”.  The proposed well to be located on public land will be installed approximately 100 feet deep and would remove approximately 350 gallons per minute from the springs and shallow aquifer. 4.  The state-owned land surrounding the headwaters includes a designated nature area, wetlands, and several threatened and endangered species, according to the DNR’s 1985 master land use plan for the Mecan River area. The DNR’s master land use plan states that a primary intended use of the headwaters and Mecan River valley is recreational (e.g., fishing and hunting, bird watching, etc.).  Over $2,000,000 of state funds (obtained from fishing licenses and taxes on fishing equipment) have been used by the DNR to purchase most of the land surrounding the headwaters and large land tracks adjacent to the Mecan River.  These land purchases have been ongoing for decades by the DNR. 5.  Despite the DNR’s master land use plan for this unique cold water fishery, the DNR is NOT REQUIRING THAT PERRIER CONDUCT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT to determine the overall impacts to the Mecan River ecosystem. Make your voice heard that an environmental assessment should be considered a mandatory part of such a project. 6.  Perrier will be required to obtain a number state permits to build and operate the pumping and bottling facilities, such as a high capacity well permit, a Chapter 30 permit to evaluate possible structures in a navigable waterway, likely an air discharge permit, and possibly an effluent discharge permit for residual waters from the bottling plant to the Mecan River.  Details of the proposed bottling operations are not known at this time.  However, these permit aquisitions will require public notice and comment periods, if requested by the public.  The Waushara Argus (Wautoma, Wisconsin) is the local newspaper where permit notices will be posted.    It has recently been confirmed that Perrier does intend to do plastic bottle manufacturing at the site, hence the need for an air discharge permit. Plastics manufacturing will entail both air and plastics manufacturing residuals discharges. These can be quite nasty after plastics manufacturing and will further degrade the area. 7.  Perrier has been working on this project for at least one year. They have flown the area and developed detailed topographic site maps of the Mecan springs and headwaters. Most likely, they have developed a preliminary design of the pumping and bottling facilities because that level of project detail is needed to submit permit applications to the DNR. It is clear that they have not done this in a vacuum but have likely been working with DNR in secret and are now trying to push through various aspects of the process over the holidays when people tend not to be as attentive to these kind of things. 8.  The DNR is requiring that a groundwater study be performed to look at drawdown effects from the proposed pumping operations.  It is unknown whether Perrier’s hired consultant or an objective 3rd party (e.g., US Geological Survey) will be performing the study. Initially, a consultant hired by Perrier was going to do the study but now it is possible that the USGS, a group that will produce objective results, will be asked to do this. Make sure you request that an objective third party do any environmental or feasibility studies on this project. If you are interested in protecting the Mecan River, please contact George Meyer’s office, Tommy Thompson’s office, and the Department of Commerce to voice your opinion and concerns.  It is also essential that as the permitting process moves forward, that we actively participate in public meetings and formal comment periods. George Meyer Sec. of the DNR 608-266-2121 Brenda Blanchard Sec. of the Dept. of Commerce 608-8976 State representatives list at: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/leginfo/asmmail.html State senators list at: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/leginfo/senmail.html Gov. Tommy Thompson Mailing Address:     P.O. Box 7863     Madison, WI                        53707         Voice: (608) 266-1212          Fax: (608) 267-8983

Before you buy.

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Question:

Can any one recommend the right size fly pole for Bass and small Stripers?  Bass Flyfishing techniques

Response:

Can any one recommend the right size fly pole for Bass and small Stripers?

I catch a lot of one to two pound smallmouth on my 9 ft 5w rod,Bass Flyfishing techniques however I feel more comfortable and can cast larger flies (wich catch larger bass) with my 8 1/2 ft 8 wt.  Also crawfish patterns are great for smallmouth and streamers work well for stripers.                     Good luck!

Response:

Can any one recommend the right size fly pole for Bass and small Stripers?

I personally use 7-8 weight rods/lines.

Response:

Can any one recommend the right size fly pole for Bass and small Stripers?

I cast with a 9 ft 8-weight rod on ponds and medium/large rivers for smallmouth and schoolie stripers in Maine.Bass Flyfishing techniques  This is good for easily placing anything from small poppers to big bulky deer hair or streamer patterns 30-50 ft, even if its a little windy out.

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Can any one recommend the right size fly pole for Bass and small Stripers?

Thanks! I do pretty well with an 8 wt. for bass of all types.

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Question:

I love to hunt,fiberglass fishing bass and own 160 acres with a cabin here in S.W. Missouri just for the hunting.  Got two small whitetail bucks there last season, too. However, I’m more interested in fishing right now because that’s the next outdoor activity coming up.fiberglass fishing bass  I can’t find a newsgroup for freshwater fishing.  Is there something like this rec.hunting group for that?  Where, please?   Thanks.

Response:

I love to hunt, and own 160 acres with a cabin here in S.W.fiberglass fishing bass  Missouri just for the hunting.  Got two small whitetail bucks there last season, too. However, I’m more interested in fishing right now because that’s the next outdoor activity coming up.  I can’t find a newsgroup for freshwater fishing.  Is there something like this rec.hunting group for that?  Where, please?   Thanks.

Try alt.fishing alt.fishing.catfish alt.fishing.minnesota alt.test.flyfishing alt.test.fishing.spin fj.rec.fishing rec.outdoor.fishing rec.outdoor.fishing.bass rec.outdoor.fishing.fly rec.outdoor.fishing.fly.tying rec.outdoor.fishing.saltwater I know you asked for freshwater, but I threw in the saltwater for others that might have an interest. Happy Hunter..fiberglass fishing bass.soon to be Happy Fisherman. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I love to hunt, and own 160 acres with a cabin here in S.W. Missouri just for the hunting.  Got two small whitetail bucks there last season, too. However, I’m more interested in fishing right now because that’s the next outdoor activity coming up.  I can’t find a newsgroup for freshwater fishing.  Is there something like this rec.hunting group for that?  Where, please?   Thanks. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

Try rec.outdoors.fishing (and some branches) and alt.fishing Bill — Bill and Nancy Weiler Tony, Wisconsin <http://home.centurytel.net/spinandfish/spinandfish Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Question:

—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—river Bass Flyfishing SHA1 Sunday, February 01, 1998         After having conducted an email straw poll of regular posters ( commercial and private ) to this newsgroup, and getting favorable replies. I have decided to poll the newsgroup itself.river Bass Flyfishing  I would like to get an idea of rather the majority of the people on this newsgroup would like to see it changed to a moderated group or not. Moderation would basically end 99.99% of the sex site spam and make money fast spam on this newsgroup. Moderation would basically mean that posts to the newsgroup would be ” on topic “river Bass Flyfishing and basically within the confines of the original USENET charter set for this group when we formed it. It does not mean that you have to be saying something I personally approve of, only that it meets the prearranged confines in what would be the NEW  charter for the newsgroup. An official USENET RFD and CFV period would have to be observed in doing this. This is something that many of the newsgroups are now starting to help to eliminate spam. PLEASE try and hold the discussion on this to a dull roar as it is ” off topic ” BUT, IMHO at least, something that will be very good for the regulars and new comers to this newsgroup.river Bass Flyfishing If you have a specific queston about this feel free to email me about it. Thanks, W. Pat Comer —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNNUqmAPRabXBh9qkEQLQqgCg3WwYqpyImM8XB9z9IKy55dhtmBAAn1bS OlnQ1VJCkgTfR1ZH+lGBf/X5 =l8qd —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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I vote no as it hardly seems necessary to protect ourselves or more specifically to have Pat give us freedom from spam and sex..  I read several newsgroups regularly and browse on quite a few more and this one by far has the fewest number of posts per day.river Bass Flyfishing  It doesn’t take much time to go through the daily posts and it is very simple to avoid the spam as most of the subjects are pretty obvious.  I feel sorry for anyone who can’t recognize that something like “Ticklish Men Wanted” does not refer to flyfishing for bass.  The argument of protecting the young ones doesn’t wash as these posts are usually sent to a very large number of newsgroups if not every one.  You can protect kids from the spam and sex only by keeping them off ALL newsgroups altogether. Now what kind of freedom is that? Although I think it’s admirable of Pat to volunteer his time for the benefit of the group, I think moderation is very unnecessary in r.o.f.b., will save you maybe 20 seconds a day in reading posts, won’t save anyone from spam unless they only read this newsgroup, and quite possibly will only succeed in slowing down the response time. G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 Sunday, February 01, 1998    After having conducted an email straw poll of regular posters ( commercial and private ) to this newsgroup, and getting favorable replies. I have decided to poll the newsgroup itself. I would like to get an idea of rather the majority of the people on this newsgroup would like to see it changed to a moderated group or not.

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Question:

bass tracker fishing boatsDo you have Aquatic Eco-Systems catalog?  I remember seeing the waders in there.  Sounds like both types that Bonnie is describing.  If you don’t have the catalog, here’s the link: http://www.aquaticecosystems.com/aquatic1v1/index.icl

Thank you, thank you,bass tracker fishing boats why didn’t I think of them myself? OMG! $143! Oh dear, I’m not going to spend that. Would be one thing if I needed them for my home pond, but I just don’t, I can access it from the side when the water gets cold. Hmmmmm, wonder if I can find a donor?

Response:

I think that what you are looking for are called “waders”. bass tracker fishing boats  They are sold at hunting supply places – they are worn by duck hunters and fisherman to wade into water chest deep. They are made out of rubberized material and fit over your clothes.

bass tracker fishing boatsOkay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, bass tracker fishing boats Do you have Aquatic Eco-Systems catalog?  I remember seeing the waders in there.  Sounds like both types that Bonnie is describing.  If you don’t have the catalog, here’s the link: http://www.aquaticecosystems.com/aquatic1v1/index.icl bass tracker fishing boats If Jan wants to visit my pond and test out her new suit, I’ll gladly take the photos;-). HA! Thanks for the invite, but I think ponding below 60F without insulation is cruelty. After a rare night of rain that blessed us with over 1/2″ my pond temp is 62F (got down to 50F last week) and the sun is shining, so I’m going out to do some serious ponding today. ;o) ~ jan

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Anybody remember that picture of the guy standing in the icy snowy pond… ??? I think Jan plans to strike a pose of her own.  Make sure someone has a camera ready!!!

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Anybody remember that picture of the guy standing in the icy snowy pond… ??? I think Jan plans to strike a pose of her own.  Make sure someone has a camera ready!!!

HA! By that time (that cold) all I’ll be doing is checking it’s water level once a month, getting IN is NOT an option.

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We have had light frost two days in a row and I thought I’d better not push my luck for another night.  I tried to lift my umbrella palm today to bring it indoors.  I couldn’t seperate it from the milk crate.  It looks like I’m going to have to go into the pond to retrieve the umbrella palm.  It is cold out there and I really don’t want enter the water.   If Jan wants to visit my pond and test out her new suit, I’ll gladly take the photosbass tracker fishing boats Anybody remember that picture of the guy standing in the icy snowy pond… ??? I think Jan plans to strike a pose of her own.  Make sure someone has a camera ready!!!

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If Jan wants to visit my pond and test out her new suit, I’ll gladly take the photos

bass tracker fishing boats Thanks for the invite, but I think ponding below 60F without insulation is cruelty. After a rare night of rain that blessed us with over 1/2″ my pond temp is 62F (got down to 50F last week) and the sun is shining, so I’m going out to do some serious ponding today. ;o) ~ jan

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A dry suit keeps the water out and is generally worn with thermal protection beneath.  I suspect waders might suit you better. Good luck.

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Here’s a used one for sale http://www.laser.org/archives/newlaser/laser/0142.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Forgot here’s a place that sells new ones but at these prices a used submarine might be cheaper http://www.oceanray.com/ Terry in Texas http://oursecretpond.homestead.com

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Here’s a used one for sale http://www.laser.org/archives/newlaser/laser/0142.html Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Try a place that sells kayaking equipment. They should have full wet suits, dry suits, and tops and bottoms of each. I do *not* recommend buying used kayaking gear. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Are you sure you saw water skiers using _dry_ suits (from what I’ve seen, wet suits may be two piece, but dry suits are single units)?  A quick search of the web shows prices of about $500 and up (mostly _way_ up). Check a scuba or other water-type sports shop.

Ouch! Yes, we have a water ski club here that does the “Polar Bears Ski” on January 1st every year when the river is about 35F. ~ jan

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There’s dry suits & wet suits.  Wet suits are suitable for long-term immersion in comparatively warm water.  If you aren’t in the water very long, wet suits don’t make a lot of noticeable difference – you have to warm up the water in the suit, first.  If the water’s very cold, you get hypothermia before you warm it up  (also, wet suits often don’t have feet – the neoprene socks are usually separate) Dry suits are used for water that’s too cold for wet-suits.  I have no experience with them, but it seems likely that they wouldn’t come in “bottom-half-only” versions.

Yes, that is what I want, something I can put over my jeans and climb into the demo pond with. I can see the logic that there may not be a “bottom-half-only” version. ~ jan

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Forgot here’s a place that sells new ones but at these prices a used submarine might be cheaper http://www.oceanray.com/

Roflol! Ok, so maybe this isn’t such a good idea. Haven’t looked at the used set yet, will do that now. Thanks everyone. ~ jan

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Jan, my DH has both a dry suit, so he can waterski in summer & winter. The dry suit is all one piece with a long piece of neopreen at the wrists, neck & ankles.  Very light weigh with an industrial zipper across the back.  You don’t get wet on the inside like with wet suits. I would call a Dive Shop or Boat Shop in you neighborhood.  (just went & got his, the brand name is O.S.Systems)  Also, what about getting waders like fishermen wear – alot cheaper.  -Wendy in N.CA

I think I am going to have to look into waders, if I can find something without the heavy shoe. ~ jan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jan, you want chest-high waders which are used for fishing in streams. The waders come in two main types — (1) rubber waders and (2) gortex waders. The rubber waders are heavy, tight, and VERY warm. The gortex waders are light, loose, and not insulated. My husband bought one of each kind for flyfishing. He wears them one week a year; I wear the waders the other 51 weeks of the year. I like the gortex waders best. My gortex waders have rubber (neoprene) booties. The chest-high waders have adjustable suspenders. Many waders have an adjustable belt to cinch in the waist. The waders usually have several pockets in the chest area. You can put scissors, cable ties, etc in the pockets. I can work in the yard all morning, put on the waders and jump in the pond, and then remove the waders to do more dry work. The bootie and wader combination means that you never get wet (unless you bend over too far) You can find waders at fishing stores (BassPro Shops), sports stores (Oshman’s), and mailorder/online. I would suggest that you search for flyfishing gear.

Bonnie Lee, you’ve got my number again. ;o) Will look for Gortex. Do you happen to  remember about how much those cost? ~ jan

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Hello, Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

Jan, you want chest-high waders which are used for fishing in streams. The waders come in two main types — (1) rubber waders and (2) gortex waders. The rubber waders are heavy, tight, and VERY warm. The gortex waders are light, loose, and not insulated. My husband bought one of each kind for flyfishing. He wears them one week a year; I wear the waders the other 51 weeks of the year. I like the gortex waders best. My gortex waders have rubber (neoprene) booties. The chest-high waders have adjustable suspenders. Many waders have an adjustable belt to cinch in the waist. The waders usually have several pockets in the chest area. You can put scissors, cable ties, etc in the pockets. I can work in the yard all morning, put on the waders and jump in the pond, and then remove the waders to do more dry work. The bootie and wader combination means that you never get wet (unless you bend over too far) You can find waders at fishing stores (BassPro Shops), sports stores (Oshman’s), and mailorder/online. I would suggest that you search for flyfishing gear. Keep cool (and dry), Bonnie Lee Hill Dallas, Texas

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Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit.

Jan, my DH has both a dry suit, so he can waterski in summer & winter. The dry suit is all one piece with a long piece of neopreen at the wrists, neck & ankles.  Very light weigh with an industrial zipper across the back.  You don’t get wet on the inside like with wet suits. I would call a Dive Shop or Boat Shop in you neighborhood.  (just went & got his, the brand name is O.S.Systems)  Also, what about getting waders like fishermen wear – alot cheaper.  -Wendy in N.CA Before you buy.

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That link didn’t work out!   How about: http://www.tgoemall.com/mallwetsuit.htm Nedra Visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Still it’s called a wet suit,  Jan.  Try www.performance.com …. I think that’s the link. Nedra Visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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I bought my wet suit from SPORT EUROPIA several years ago. Located in Florida if I remember right. A wet suit soaks up water and then warms from body tempiture and holds the heat. John

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Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

Are you sure you saw water skiers using _dry_ suits (from what I’ve seen, wet suits may be two piece, but dry suits are single units)?  A quick search of the web shows prices of about $500 and up (mostly _way_ up). Check a scuba or other water-type sports shop. — Roy

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Still it’s called a wet suit,  Jan.  Try www.performance.com …. I think that’s the link. Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

There’s dry suits & wet suits.  Wet suits are suitable for long-term immersion in comparatively warm water.  If you aren’t in the water very long, wet suits don’t make a lot of noticeable difference – you have to warm up the water in the suit, first.  If the water’s very cold, you get hypothermia before you warm it up  (also, wet suits often don’t have feet – the neoprene socks are usually separate) Dry suits are used for water that’s too cold for wet-suits.  I have no experience with them, but it seems likely that they wouldn’t come in “bottom-half-only” versions. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html

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I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

OK, I’ll bite – Why not fishing waders. Every sporting shop and 100+ online sites stock them. Come with or without built-in boots. Almost anything you see on water-skiers would be “wet” suit style. Lee

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Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Still it’s called a wet suit,  Jan.  Try www.performance.com …. I think that’s the link. Nedra Visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Jan, Do you have Aquatic Eco-Systems catalog?  I remember seeing the waders in there.  Sounds like both types that Bonnie is describing.  If you don’t have the catalog, here’s the link: http://www.aquaticecosystems.com/aquatic1v1/index.icl

Thank you, thank you, why didn’t I think of them myself? OMG! $143! Oh dear, I’m not going to spend that. Would be one thing if I needed them for my home pond, but I just don’t, I can access it from the side when the water gets cold. Hmmmmm, wonder if I can find a donor? ~ jan

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I think that what you are looking for are called “waders”.  They are sold at hunting supply places – they are worn by duck hunters and fisherman to wade into water chest deep. They are made out of rubberized material and fit over your clothes.

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Jan, Do you have Aquatic Eco-Systems catalog?  I remember seeing the waders in there.  Sounds like both types that Bonnie is describing.  If you don’t have the catalog, here’s the link: http://www.aquaticecosystems.com/aquatic1v1/index.icl — -Wendy in N. California, zone 9 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If Jan wants to visit my pond and test out her new suit, I’ll gladly take the photos;-). HA! Thanks for the invite, but I think ponding below 60F without insulation is cruelty. After a rare night of rain that blessed us with over 1/2″ my pond temp is 62F (got down to 50F last week) and the sun is shining, so I’m going out to do some serious ponding today. ;o) ~ jan

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Anybody remember that picture of the guy standing in the icy snowy pond… ??? I think Jan plans to strike a pose of her own.  Make sure someone has a camera ready!!!  : )        })i({  Cindy  })i({   If you think the grass is  greener on the other side,         get fertilizer!!!               : )     Live, Love, Laugh!!! Don’t lose sight of lifes simple treasures, they cost nothing yet are priceless

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Anybody remember that picture of the guy standing in the icy snowy pond… ??? I think Jan plans to strike a pose of her own.  Make sure someone has a camera ready!!!  : )

HA! By that time (that cold) all I’ll be doing is checking it’s water level once a month, getting IN is NOT an option. ;o) ~ jan

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We have had light frost two days in a row and I thought I’d better not push my luck for another night.  I tried to lift my umbrella palm today to bring it indoors.  I couldn’t seperate it from the milk crate.  It looks like I’m going to have to go into the pond to retrieve the umbrella palm.  It is cold out there and I really don’t want enter the water.   If Jan wants to visit my pond and test out her new suit, I’ll gladly take the photos;-). — Bonnie NJ http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody remember that picture of the guy standing in the icy snowy pond… ??? I think Jan plans to strike a pose of her own.  Make sure someone has a camera ready!!!  : )        })i({  Cindy  })i({   If you think the grass is  greener on the other side,         get fertilizer!!!               : )     Live, Love, Laugh!!! Don’t lose sight of lifes simple treasures, they cost nothing yet are priceless

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If Jan wants to visit my pond and test out her new suit, I’ll gladly take the photos;-).

HA! Thanks for the invite, but I think ponding below 60F without insulation is cruelty. After a rare night of rain that blessed us with over 1/2″ my pond temp is 62F (got down to 50F last week) and the sun is shining, so I’m going out to do some serious ponding today. ;o) ~ jan

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A dry suit keeps the water out and is generally worn with thermal protection beneath.  I suspect waders might suit you better. Good luck.

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Here’s a used one for sale http://www.laser.org/archives/newlaser/laser/0142.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Forgot here’s a place that sells new ones but at these prices a used submarine might be cheaper http://www.oceanray.com/ Terry in Texas http://oursecretpond.homestead.com

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Here’s a used one for sale http://www.laser.org/archives/newlaser/laser/0142.html Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Try a place that sells kayaking equipment. They should have full wet suits, dry suits, and tops and bottoms of each. I do *not* recommend buying used kayaking gear. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Are you sure you saw water skiers using _dry_ suits (from what I’ve seen, wet suits may be two piece, but dry suits are single units)?  A quick search of the web shows prices of about $500 and up (mostly _way_ up). Check a scuba or other water-type sports shop.

Ouch! Yes, we have a water ski club here that does the “Polar Bears Ski” on January 1st every year when the river is about 35F. ~ jan

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There’s dry suits & wet suits.  Wet suits are suitable for long-term immersion in comparatively warm water.  If you aren’t in the water very long, wet suits don’t make a lot of noticeable difference – you have to warm up the water in the suit, first.  If the water’s very cold, you get hypothermia before you warm it up  (also, wet suits often don’t have feet – the neoprene socks are usually separate) Dry suits are used for water that’s too cold for wet-suits.  I have no experience with them, but it seems likely that they wouldn’t come in “bottom-half-only” versions.

Yes, that is what I want, something I can put over my jeans and climb into the demo pond with. I can see the logic that there may not be a “bottom-half-only” version. ~ jan

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Forgot here’s a place that sells new ones but at these prices a used submarine might be cheaper http://www.oceanray.com/

Roflol! Ok, so maybe this isn’t such a good idea. Haven’t looked at the used set yet, will do that now. Thanks everyone. ~ jan

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Jan, my DH has both a dry suit, so he can waterski in summer & winter. The dry suit is all one piece with a long piece of neopreen at the wrists, neck & ankles.  Very light weigh with an industrial zipper across the back.  You don’t get wet on the inside like with wet suits. I would call a Dive Shop or Boat Shop in you neighborhood.  (just went & got his, the brand name is O.S.Systems)  Also, what about getting waders like fishermen wear – alot cheaper.  -Wendy in N.CA

I think I am going to have to look into waders, if I can find something without the heavy shoe. ~ jan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jan, you want chest-high waders which are used for fishing in streams. The waders come in two main types — (1) rubber waders and (2) gortex waders. The rubber waders are heavy, tight, and VERY warm. The gortex waders are light, loose, and not insulated. My husband bought one of each kind for flyfishing. He wears them one week a year; I wear the waders the other 51 weeks of the year. I like the gortex waders best. My gortex waders have rubber (neoprene) booties. The chest-high waders have adjustable suspenders. Many waders have an adjustable belt to cinch in the waist. The waders usually have several pockets in the chest area. You can put scissors, cable ties, etc in the pockets. I can work in the yard all morning, put on the waders and jump in the pond, and then remove the waders to do more dry work. The bootie and wader combination means that you never get wet (unless you bend over too far) You can find waders at fishing stores (BassPro Shops), sports stores (Oshman’s), and mailorder/online. I would suggest that you search for flyfishing gear.

Bonnie Lee, you’ve got my number again. ;o) Will look for Gortex. Do you happen to  remember about how much those cost? ~ jan

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Hello, Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

Jan, you want chest-high waders which are used for fishing in streams. The waders come in two main types — (1) rubber waders and (2) gortex waders. The rubber waders are heavy, tight, and VERY warm. The gortex waders are light, loose, and not insulated. My husband bought one of each kind for flyfishing. He wears them one week a year; I wear the waders the other 51 weeks of the year. I like the gortex waders best. My gortex waders have rubber (neoprene) booties. The chest-high waders have adjustable suspenders. Many waders have an adjustable belt to cinch in the waist. The waders usually have several pockets in the chest area. You can put scissors, cable ties, etc in the pockets. I can work in the yard all morning, put on the waders and jump in the pond, and then remove the waders to do more dry work. The bootie and wader combination means that you never get wet (unless you bend over too far) You can find waders at fishing stores (BassPro Shops), sports stores (Oshman’s), and mailorder/online. I would suggest that you search for flyfishing gear. Keep cool (and dry), Bonnie Lee Hill Dallas, Texas

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Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit.

Jan, my DH has both a dry suit, so he can waterski in summer & winter. The dry suit is all one piece with a long piece of neopreen at the wrists, neck & ankles.  Very light weigh with an industrial zipper across the back.  You don’t get wet on the inside like with wet suits. I would call a Dive Shop or Boat Shop in you neighborhood.  (just went & got his, the brand name is O.S.Systems)  Also, what about getting waders like fishermen wear – alot cheaper.  -Wendy in N.CA Before you buy.

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That link didn’t work out!   How about: http://www.tgoemall.com/mallwetsuit.htm Nedra Visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Still it’s called a wet suit,  Jan.  Try www.performance.com …. I think that’s the link. Nedra Visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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I bought my wet suit from SPORT EUROPIA several years ago. Located in Florida if I remember right. A wet suit soaks up water and then warms from body tempiture and holds the heat. John

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Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

Are you sure you saw water skiers using _dry_ suits (from what I’ve seen, wet suits may be two piece, but dry suits are single units)?  A quick search of the web shows prices of about $500 and up (mostly _way_ up). Check a scuba or other water-type sports shop. — Roy

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Still it’s called a wet suit,  Jan.  Try www.performance.com …. I think that’s the link. Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

There’s dry suits & wet suits.  Wet suits are suitable for long-term immersion in comparatively warm water.  If you aren’t in the water very long, wet suits don’t make a lot of noticeable difference – you have to warm up the water in the suit, first.  If the water’s very cold, you get hypothermia before you warm it up  (also, wet suits often don’t have feet – the neoprene socks are usually separate) Dry suits are used for water that’s too cold for wet-suits.  I have no experience with them, but it seems likely that they wouldn’t come in “bottom-half-only” versions. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html

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I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

OK, I’ll bite – Why not fishing waders. Every sporting shop and 100+ online sites stock them. Come with or without built-in boots. Almost anything you see on water-skiers would be “wet” suit style. Lee

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Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Still it’s called a wet suit,  Jan.  Try www.performance.com …. I think that’s the link. Nedra Visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay all you folks who know how to use a search engine to find just about anything. I need a dry suit. I’m not talking heavy waders either. What I’ve seen on some water skiers looks light weight, as they can obviously still get the ski bindings over the foot part. I need just the bottom half. What kind of place would carry such things? Thanks, ~ jan

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Hello guys, bass lures for fly fishing  Is there anybody out there that fishes for bass in  New York Dean

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bass in  New York

What part of NY?  bass lures for fly fishing

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Does any one know the Webb Site for rod bass fishing REC OUTDOORS FLYFISHING I cant seem to get

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roff newsgroup is “rec outdoors fishing fly” …there is a web page and one of the roff regulars can give you the address… but, most search engines work for web pages, and rod bass fishing, most browsers have a “subscribe” function for new newsgroups. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does any one know the Webb Site for REC OUTDOORS FLYFISHING I cant seem to get

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