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Bassbug I do not agree with your statement.world largemouth bass record  Studies have shown that stress levels due to fighting fish and improper handling of fish after they are caught are the major causes of delayed mortality in bass. I don’t know anyone who has ever “torn the mouth out of the fish” because a hook is barbed. world largemouth bass record  Maybe a young kid who doesn’t really know what he/she is doing. Also, fish in a controlled environment (aquarium) would be more likely to die from wounds because fish in a natural environment are genetically more hardy. I’m all for barbless bassin, but I’m sure many will agree that it is not the barb that causes death in fish. It is anglers who don’t know the proper way to fish a fish, anglers who don’t know the proper way to handle fish, and anglers (you see them on TV every weekend) who don’t know how long to keep a fish out of water. Try to hold your breath underwater for more than a minute and a half and you’ll see what I mean.world largemouth bass record  I don’t agree, If the hook is barbed, You are more likely to tare the mouth of the fish. If you ever had an aquarium, you would agree that wounds take some time to heal and are often fatal even in a controlled environment with proper medication. Barbed hooks only help add to the demise of the fish and should only be left to bait fishermen who generally fish for the table. A responsible “sportsman” bends down the barbs.

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another method of devious practise years ago was to use carbide, small stones and a glass jar. 1/3 carbide,world largemouth bass record enough stones to sink it and fill the jar with 1/2 water, slap the lid on tight and get rid of it into the deeper holding areas of the creeks (usually). When the carbide disolved, the gases built up and blew the jar into many small pieces. Sort of like a depth charge. Had to be fast though, several hands were injured in this practise. This was the poor mans dynamite. Carbide was readily available and cheap. Sort of reminds me of the joke,” you gonna talk, or fish?” Tight lines everyone! world largemouth bass record fishing was something that was done years ago.  You take an old crank phone with a length of wire attached to the generator (that’s what the crank does, it’s a hand cranked generator).  Drop the wire in the water and crank away, it will only stun a fish thats very close to the wire and if you leave them in the water, they will swim off.  I know all of this to be true as I watched my great granddad use one many times when I was very young.  He would “crank” up some fish and only get the good eating size.  The others would float for a few seconds and swim off.  It was illegal then and is now.  Another type of “fishing” that was popular during that time was using M-80’s (I’ve been told they are 1/4 stick of dynamite).  Light the fuse, toss in the water.  This would kill the fish outright and in a much larger area than the phone method. Keep in mind that fishing at that time, in that part of the country, was to feed your family.  It made a nice addition to the daily beans and blackstrap. I’m sure there will be some out there that will comment about how “barbaric” or “backward” this sounds, and by today’s standards, it is.  Keep in mind that the first grocery store in the area that I’m referring to was a Piggy Wiggly, opened in 1951.  Before that, the general store was where you got your staples, all fresh veggies were grown and all meat was either raised, hunted, or fished. Has anyone heard of the ‘art’ of phone fishing?  I have been told tales by a few people of:  throwing an old phone in a pond and electrocuting the fish to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead. Any comments are appreciated as I am doing some research on the topic. Any URL’s would also be appreciated… Thanks, Keith (not the best fisherman)

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I don’t think there’s a bassfisher alive who hasn’t been repelled at the sight of a little fighter with one eye gouged out, or a gill missing, or even a torn lip.  It just doesn’t seem right to wound and release.  So I use barbless hooks to make the wound as minimal as possible, and if one of the other trebles gets embedded in his body flesh I rub my finger in a circle around the wound then across the wound…whether this helps the mucus heal the wound I don’t know, but it makes me feel better when I release it.

Jim, Nice touch. As a matter of fact, I kiss every Bass I catch prior to releasing. However, there is a product called “Stress coat” sold at pet shops for wounded fish for a couple of bucks that can put on the wound to act as sort of a Band-Aid while the body flesh heals. A little drop will do ya. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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Keith Phone fishing was something that was done years ago.  You take an old crank phone with a length of wire attached to the generator (that’s what the crank does, it’s a hand cranked generator).  Drop the wire in the water and crank away, it will only stun a fish thats very close to the wire and if you leave them in the water, they will swim off.  I know all of this to be true as I watched my great granddad use one many times when I was very young.  He would “crank” up some fish and only get the good eating size.  The others would float for a few seconds and swim off.  It was illegal then and is now.  Another type of “fishing” that was popular during that time was using M-80’s (I’ve been told they are 1/4 stick of dynamite).  Light the fuse, toss in the water.  This would kill the fish outright and in a much larger area than the phone method. Keep in mind that fishing at that time, in that part of the country, was to feed your family.  It made a nice addition to the daily beans and blackstrap.  I’m sure there will be some out there that will comment about how “barbaric” or “backward” this sounds, and by today’s standards, it is.  Keep in mind that the first grocery store in the area that I’m referring to was a Piggy Wiggly, opened in 1951.  Before that, the general store was where you got your staples, all fresh veggies were grown and all meat was either raised, hunted, or fished. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone heard of the ‘art’ of phone fishing?  I have been told tales by a few people of:  throwing an old phone in a pond and electrocuting the fish to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead. Any comments are appreciated as I am doing some research on the topic.  Any URL’s would also be appreciated… Thanks, Keith (not the best fisherman)

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Bassbug, Wouldn’t it be nice if we could catch bass without injury from hooks?  I wonder if we will ever see such a lure.  I don’t think there’s a bassfisher alive who hasn’t been repelled at the sight of a little fighter with one eye gouged out, or a gill missing, or even a torn lip.  It just doesn’t seem right to wound and release.  So I use barbless hooks to make the wound as minimal as possible, and if one of the other trebles gets embedded in his body flesh I rub my finger in a circle around the wound then across the wound…whether this helps the mucus heal the wound I don’t know, but it makes me feel better when I release it. Jim Pankey USN (Ret.) “Barbless Bassin’” Bassbug wrote …<snip… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barbed hooks only help add to the demise of the fish and should only be left to bait fishermen who generally fish for the table. A responsible “sportsman” bends down the barbs. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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Jim to be honest, I don’t believe barbless hooks reduces much mortality. The only thing it might accomplish is allow you to unhook a bass more quickly, thus reducing the time it is out of water.

I don’t agree, If the hook is barbed, You are more likely to tare the mouth of the fish. If you ever had an aquarium, you would agree that wounds take some time to heal and are often fatal even in a controlled environment with proper medication. Barbed hooks only help add to the demise of the fish and should only be left to bait fishermen who generally fish for the table. A responsible “sportsman” bends down the barbs. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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Jet skier always!!!!! — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This also electrocutes the jet skiiers to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead.  What do you catch first; a 220 LB jet skiier or a 12 lb Largemouth? Jim Hohmann May The Fish Be With You. Has anyone heard of the ‘art’ of phone fishing?  I have been told tales by a few people of:  throwing an old phone in a pond and electrocuting the fish to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead. Any comments are appreciated as I am doing some research on the topic. Any URL’s would also be appreciated… Thanks, Keith (not the best fisherman)

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Today I attended two club weigh-ins on a very popular, heavily fished local lake.  I noted a lot of damaged bass that had previously been caught…some had torn mouthparts, contusions, and some you could see were bloodied and torn from either natural causes (i.e., making or defending a bed–tailfins were ragged) or beating against the live well confinement (the snouts were bloodied and raw).  There were just three dead that I noted (at least one had been hooked deeply), but I think weigh-ins should be closely monitored for damaged fish and the results given to the appropriate State department for further study.  I was shocked to see the condition of the fish weighed in!  To me, it sounds an alarm…that the population of the species in that lake may be in trouble.  Of course I’m not an expert, but I’ve witnessed a lot of weigh-ins and never saw so many previously damaged fish. Jim Pankey USN (Ret.) “Barbless Bassin’”

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think there’s a bassfisher alive who hasn’t been repelled at the sight of a little fighter with one eye gouged out, or a gill missing, or even a torn lip.  It just doesn’t seem right to wound and release.  So I use barbless hooks to make the wound as minimal as possible, and if one of the other trebles gets embedded in his body flesh I rub my finger in a circle around the wound then across the wound…whether this helps the mucus heal the wound I don’t know, but it makes me feel better when I release it. Jim, Nice touch. As a matter of fact, I kiss every Bass I catch prior to releasing. However, there is a product called “Stress coat” sold at pet shops for wounded fish for a couple of bucks that can put on the wound to act as sort of a Band-Aid while the body flesh heals. A little drop will do ya. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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John, that might explain something I saw at a local club tournament. Another John, who was my sponsor when I first met the club, hooked a 5+ pound beauty.  It was dead, he said, within an hour.  His live well was working, and he caught the beauty in relatively shallow water.  The toxic effects, which you mentioned, may have been the culprit.  I loved the disapointment in his eyes when he had to admit the fish was dead.  Told me he was my kind of fishermen, catch and release. — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales!

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim to be honest, I don’t believe barbless hooks reduces much mortality. The only thing it might accomplish is allow you to unhook a bass more quickly, thus reducing the time it is out of water. I would think the area of hook penetration, longevity of the fight, handling of the fish, and the time before release would be the most important factors in determining the bass’ mortality rates. Most fish would encounter delayed mortality due to the stress of being caught and fought for long periods of time. Also the lactic acid build up in fish when they are fighting sometimes reaches toxic levels, which can cause death in extreme cases. Also anyone who keeps a bass outside of water for more than a minute or two is a fool if they think the bass is going to be ok. Even if it does not die from being out of water, it can suffer permanent brain damage from lack of oxygen or it can be very succeptible to viral infections if its slime coat is rubbed away too much. Catch ‘em, take a quick photo if you have to, admire ‘em, and quickly put her back. That’s my motto. And if you can hook ‘em and keep ‘em without barbs, then more power to ya Good fishing JohnM/MA If you want to flame, do it elsewhere.  Keith asked a question that I am familiar with since I have been with a person who used that method (one time) at night to illegally take game fish.  If Keith wants more information (it’s not specifically bass-fishing related) he can contact me at Meantime, good bass fishing. As an aside, I practice bassing with barbless hooks and read an older article in Field and Stream (I think) that stated literally no survival rate difference of largemouth bass hooked and released immediately with barbed or barbless hooks.  I’d like to find out more about any studies that may have been done, if you know of any.  Also, I am still going to fish barbless because I know for a fact they’re easier to get out of human skin than the barbed kind!  Ever been hooked in the back by a Big O? Jim Pankey USN (Ret.) “Barbless Bassin’” Hey, dipshit, it’s not art, it’s a crime. If you want dead fish, go to a fish market. Oh, and stay the hell out of this newsgroup, loser.

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That sounds like a good way to rid my lake of jet skiers too…lol! Warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One time I farted in the water after eating one of my wife’s homemade barritos and had the same effect. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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One time I farted in the water after eating one of my wife’s homemade barritos and had the same effect. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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Sorta related, but have you all seen the commercial with the guy and his female companion at a tropical resort where they are skipping rocks over the water? Then his pager goes off and he picks it up and skips it across the water. Great commercial….

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I always carry a cell phone in the boat.  Never thought of it as a lure! Would a hand held GPS, on a very stout line, work as well?  And how would you present it! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Yep!  Sure have…. ya betcha.     Just signed on with Radio Shack and one of the features of their cellular service, “Cell Phones N’West”  is “Phone Fishing”.. (Costs a little extra but…)   To make a long story short, when the system is used for Phone Fishing you MUST be sure that the fish are close by…. like in local, close proximity (to avoid the roaming charge). Then, just toss the cell phone into the cover (stump, brushpile, dock, etc.) and dial the number… and WHAMO! Fish everywhere.   (Gotta have an extra phone to do the calling and also, the phone you toss in should be attached to a retrieval system of some sort to make it repeatable.. Also the ones powered with the sealed lead-acid battery will get you through most of a day!)   Nothin’ like it! Just kidding.   Lenny Taylor’s post has the straight skinney on the topic. Regards, Bill Linn PS: Remember, the worst day of fishing is much better than the best day of work!    http://www.newsfeeds.com       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ==—–

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Actually, there is still one place in the US where it was legal long after all other areas had been shut down to this method of “fishing”  I don’t know if it is still legal.  (A Southern Congressman who enjoyed the practice was able to push through an exemption for his favorite stretch of river by his vacation home some years ago) Anyway, the fine art of phone fishing involved using the generator from one of the old-style crank telephones.  The wires were draped into the water and the generator was hand-cranked to shock the fish. (This is essentially what the Fish & Game Department does when they do a “shock survey”).  The fish are stunned and float to the top.  The interesting thing is that any contact with anything metal, like a fishing net frame, or aluminum boat will cause them to lose the electrical charge, and they quickly recover.  Otherwise the charge dissipates over a minute or so and they return to their normal activity. As far as doing it yourself, I wouldn’t.  Most sportsmen would gleefully turn in someone who was doing a “wholesale harvest” of the fish in a local area. A completely legal version of this can be done with earthworms and a metal probe inserted into slightly moist soil.  Household current is connected to the probe and the worms will RAPIDLY come to the surface.  My elderly uncle gets his nightcrawlers this way in his yard. Take care. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone heard of the ‘art’ of phone fishing?  I have been told tales by a few people of:  throwing an old phone in a pond and electrocuting the fish to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead. Any comments are appreciated as I am doing some research on the topic.  Any URL’s would also be appreciated… Thanks, Keith (not the best fisherman)

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Yep!  Sure have…. ya betcha.     Just signed on with Radio Shack and one of the features of their cellular service, “Cell Phones N’West”  is “Phone Fishing”.. (Costs a little extra but…)   To make a long story short, when the system is used for Phone Fishing you MUST be sure that the fish are close by…. like in local, close proximity (to avoid the roaming charge). Then, just toss the cell phone into the cover (stump, brushpile, dock, etc.) and dial the number… and WHAMO! Fish everywhere.   (Gotta have an extra phone to do the calling and also, the phone you toss in should be attached to a retrieval system of some sort to make it repeatable.. Also the ones powered with the sealed lead-acid battery will get you through most of a day!)   Nothin’ like it! Just kidding.   Lenny Taylor’s post has the straight skinney on the topic. Regards, Bill Linn PS: Remember, the worst day of fishing is much better than the best day of work!    http://www.newsfeeds.com       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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Lenny Not a very safe practice to be suggesting. Household current has killed many a fisherman. There was a commercial variant of this idea on the market at one time… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip A completely legal version of this can be done with earthworms and a metal probe inserted into slightly moist soil.  Household current is connected to the probe and the worms will RAPIDLY come to the surface.  My elderly uncle gets his nightcrawlers this way in his yard.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lenny Not a very safe practice to be suggesting. Household current has killed many a fisherman. There was a commercial variant of this idea on the market at one time… <snip A completely legal version of this can be done with earthworms and a metal probe inserted into slightly moist soil.  Household current is connected to the probe and the worms will RAPIDLY come to the surface.  My elderly uncle gets his nightcrawlers this way in his yard.

You only run one wire,,from the wide side of a plug..the ground takes care of the ground!!!

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I always carry a cell phone in the boat.  Never thought of it as a lure! Would a hand held GPS, on a very stout line, work as well?  And how would you present it! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales!

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep!  Sure have…. ya betcha.     Just signed on with Radio Shack and one of the features of their cellular service, “Cell Phones N’West”  is “Phone Fishing”.. (Costs a little extra but…)   To make a long story short, when the system is used for Phone Fishing you MUST be sure that the fish are close by…. like in local, close proximity (to avoid the roaming charge). Then, just toss the cell phone into the cover (stump, brushpile, dock, etc.) and dial the number… and WHAMO! Fish everywhere.   (Gotta have an extra phone to do the calling and also, the phone you toss in should be attached to a retrieval system of some sort to make it repeatable.. Also the ones powered with the sealed lead-acid battery will get you through most of a day!)   Nothin’ like it! Just kidding.   Lenny Taylor’s post has the straight skinney on the topic. Regards, Bill Linn PS: Remember, the worst day of fishing is much better than the best day of work!    http://www.newsfeeds.com       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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This also electrocutes the jet skiiers to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead.  What do you catch first; a 220 LB jet skiier or a 12 lb Largemouth? Jim Hohmann May The Fish Be With You. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone heard of the ‘art’ of phone fishing?  I have been told tales by a few people of:  throwing an old phone in a pond and electrocuting the fish to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead. Any comments are appreciated as I am doing some research on the topic.  Any URL’s would also be appreciated… Thanks, Keith (not the best fisherman)

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Great response Jim,,,, — John “Mini” Maniaci Nitro State Team, Mercury Fresh Water Fishing Team, Bass Pro Shops Outdoor World Pro Staff Auburn Hills, MI US Code Title 47, Section 27(a)(2)(b), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec. 227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500.00, whichever is greater, for EACH violation. Emailing and/or responding to the above address constitutes acceptance of these terms. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If you want to flame, do it elsewhere.  Keith asked a question that I am familiar with since I have been with a person who used that method (one time) at night to illegally take game fish.  If Keith wants more information (it’s not specifically bass-fishing related) he can contact me at Meantime, good bass fishing. As an aside, I practice bassing with barbless hooks and read an older article in Field and Stream (I think) that stated literally no survival rate difference of largemouth bass hooked and released immediately with barbed or barbless hooks.  I’d like to find out more about any studies that may have been done, if you know of any.  Also, I am still going to fish barbless because I know for a fact they’re easier to get out of human skin than the barbed kind!  Ever been hooked in the back by a Big O? Jim Pankey USN (Ret.) “Barbless Bassin’” Hey, dipshit, it’s not art, it’s a crime. If you want dead fish, go to a fish market. Oh, and stay the hell out of this newsgroup, loser.

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ROTFLMAO , Very good! Haven’t tried this presentation, must say I keep it as a last resort; Along with the stick of dynoomite I carry in the tackle box. Say anyone have a match? — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep!  Sure have…. ya betcha.     Just signed on with Radio Shack and one of the features of their cellular service, “Cell Phones N’West”  is “Phone Fishing”.. (Costs a little extra but…)   To make a long story short, when the system is used for Phone Fishing you MUST be sure that the fish are close by…. like in local, close proximity (to avoid the roaming charge). Then, just toss the cell phone into the cover (stump, brushpile, dock, etc.) and dial the number… and WHAMO! Fish everywhere.   (Gotta have an extra phone to do the calling and also, the phone you toss in should be attached to a retrieval system of some sort to make it repeatable.. Also the ones powered with the sealed lead-acid battery will get you through most of a day!)   Nothin’ like it! Just kidding.   Lenny Taylor’s post has the straight skinney on the topic. Regards, Bill Linn PS: Remember, the worst day of fishing is much better than the best day of work!    http://www.newsfeeds.com       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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I want the jet skier. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This also electrocutes the jet skiiers to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead.  What do you catch first; a 220 LB jet skiier or a 12 lb Largemouth? Jim Hohmann May The Fish Be With You. Has anyone heard of the ‘art’ of phone fishing?  I have been told tales by a few people of:  throwing an old phone in a pond and electrocuting the fish to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead. Any comments are appreciated as I am doing some research on the topic.  Any URL’s would also be appreciated… Thanks, Keith (not the best fisherman)

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Jim to be honest, I don’t believe barbless hooks reduces much mortality. The only thing it might accomplish is allow you to unhook a bass more quickly, thus reducing the time it is out of water. I would think the area of hook penetration, longevity of the fight, handling of the fish, and the time before release would be the most important factors in determining the bass’ mortality rates. Most fish would encounter delayed mortality due to the stress of being caught and fought for long periods of time. Also the lactic acid build up in fish when they are fighting sometimes reaches toxic levels, which can cause death in extreme cases. Also anyone who keeps a bass outside of water for more than a minute or two is a fool if they think the bass is going to be ok. Even if it does not die from being out of water, it can suffer permanent brain damage from lack of oxygen or it can be very succeptible to viral infections if its slime coat is rubbed away too much. Catch ‘em, take a quick photo if you have to, admire ‘em, and quickly put her back. That’s my motto. And if you can hook ‘em and keep ‘em without barbs, then more power to ya Good fishing JohnM/MA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If you want to flame, do it elsewhere.  Keith asked a question that I am familiar with since I have been with a person who used that method (one time) at night to illegally take game fish.  If Keith wants more information (it’s not specifically bass-fishing related) he can contact me at Meantime, good bass fishing. As an aside, I practice bassing with barbless hooks and read an older article in Field and Stream (I think) that stated literally no survival rate difference of largemouth bass hooked and released immediately with barbed or barbless hooks.  I’d like to find out more about any studies that may have been done, if you know of any.  Also, I am still going to fish barbless because I know for a fact they’re easier to get out of human skin than the barbed kind!  Ever been hooked in the back by a Big O? Jim Pankey USN (Ret.) “Barbless Bassin’” Hey, dipshit, it’s not art, it’s a crime. If you want dead fish, go to a fish market. Oh, and stay the hell out of this newsgroup, loser.

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Has anyone heard of the ‘art’ of phone fishing?  I have been told tales by a few people of:  throwing an old phone in a pond and electrocuting the fish to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead. Any comments are appreciated as I am doing some research on the topic.  Any URL’s would also be appreciated… Thanks, Keith (not the best fisherman)

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Hey, dipshit, it’s not art, it’s a crime. If you want dead fish, go to a fish market. Oh, and stay the hell out of this newsgroup, loser. XLK9

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone heard of the ‘art’ of phone fishing?  I have been told tales by a few people of:  throwing an old phone in a pond and electrocuting the fish to the point where they rise to the top and are easily caught or dead. Any comments are appreciated as I am doing some research on the topic. Any URL’s would also be appreciated… Thanks, Keith (not the best fisherman)

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If you want to flame, do it elsewhere.  Keith asked a question that I am familiar with since I have been with a person who used that method (one time) at night to illegally take game fish.  If Keith wants more information (it’s not specifically bass-fishing related) he can contact me at Meantime, good bass fishing. As an aside, I practice bassing with barbless hooks and read an older article in Field and Stream (I think) that stated literally no survival rate difference of largemouth bass hooked and released immediately with barbed or barbless hooks.  I’d like to find out more about any studies that may have been done, if you know of any.  Also, I am still going to fish barbless because I know for a fact they’re easier to get out of human skin than the barbed kind!  Ever been hooked in the back by a Big O? Jim Pankey USN (Ret.) “Barbless Bassin’”

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HELP ME PLEASE I have been told that if hooks are to far down in a fishes mouth, you should cut off and release the fish.largemouth bass fishing boat  The hooks left in the mouth will eventually disolve. Can someone tell me where i can get some info on this?  A friend does not believe me and wants to see written proof.  Please E-mail me at Thanks a lot for the help.

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HELP ME PLEASE I have been told that if hooks are to far down in a fishes mouth, you should cut off and release the fish.  The hooks left in the mouth will eventually disolve. Can someone tell me where i can get some info on this?  A friend does not believe me and wants to see written proof.  Please E-mail me at Thanks a lot for the help. Pete

Pete, Several years ago when I was the fisheries manager for “The Lakes of Danbury” in southeast Texas, we did our own study on hook mortality of leave it vs take it out in largemouth bass.largemouth bass fishing boat  We found out the following and were quite surprised. We had bass fishing club members bring in all deeply hooked bass to holding tanks by the lake.  They brought them in aerated live wells to the tanks which had antibiotic dissolved in the water.  One tank had bass put into it that had had the hook carefully as possible removed.  The other tank had bass with the hook left in and the line cut as close to the hook eye as possible.  BTW, most deeply hooked bass were caught on plastic worms.   The tanks were monitored twice daily and records kept.  80% of the bass that had the hook removed died within 24 hours.  The other 20% were healthy after five days and released back to the lake.largemouth bass fishing boat   20% of the bass with the hooks left in them were dead within 24 hours, the other 80% were healthy after five days.  Some were kept up to two weeks in this group.  Of the fish that survived, 80% had disgorged the hook and it was lying on the bottom of the tank within one to five days. These fish were released back to the lake. The other 20% were either still retaining the hook after two weeks, or passed the hook through thier digestive tracts, usually hanging up in the anus. We found that the hooks did not dissolve in the bass, or in the water. However,largemouth bass fishing boat the hook wound would fester up and the hook would fall out of the fish’s throat in 4 out of 5 cases of surviving fish.  The wound would quickly heal and the fish was fine.  The other case most likely would end up as a delayed mortality through infection, or blockage of the digestive tract.   Bottom line, remove the deeply embedded hook and lose 80% of the fish, leave it and salvage 2/3s of them.  Our rules became that a guest was to leave a deeply embedded hook in the fish and release it. I’m sure different fish and differing situations would require further study.largemouth bass fishing boat  But for our bass in our lakes, fished for by our guests (who had been instructed on how to properly catch and release the fish), leaving the hook in seemed to work best.

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I caught a largemouth during a tournament and had hooked him deep.  I cut the line close to the hook and put the bass in my livewell.largemouth bass fishing boat  I checked him periodically and he seemed to be doing fine.  When we got to the weigh in site, I checked the fish and only the eyelet of the hook was visible, he had swallowed the entire hook. I know that the Bass have a strong acid in their stomach, but how long that hook would last in there I don’t know.

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Try both February and March. record largemouth bass

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I would like to know when and where in Florida is the best time to catch a very large fish?record largemouth bass  The one time in your life type trophy.

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I would like to know when and where in Florida is the best time to catch a very large fish?  The one time in your life type trophy.

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I would like to know when and where in Florida is the best time to catch a very large fish?  The one time in your life type trophy.

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I would like to know when and where in Florida is the best time to catch a very large fish?  The one time in your life type trophy.

Where:  Lake Lochloosa   (unexcelled for numbers of 12 to 15 pounders) When:   Mid March How:  record largemouth bass   Live Shiners Lake Lochloosa is situated at the ideal latitude, where Florida-strain bass grow faster than those in Georgia (home of world record), and live longer than those in southern Florida.

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| | I’ve caught seven largemouth bass over 9 lbs,largemouth bass fishing and one 12 pounder, | nevertheless, I still thrill to 2 to 4lb class chain pickerel.   | I’m originally from New Jersey, which yielded 2 previous world record | pickerel.  I now reside in Georgia,largemouth bass fishing where pickerel knowledge | is extremely rare.  Might someone know of good Georgia waters | for trophy pickerel.  The only 2 waters I’m presently aware of | are Lake Seminole and Suwannee River. |                                           Thanx

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| | I’ve caught seven largemouth bass over 9 lbs, and one 12 pounder, | nevertheless, I still thrill to 2 to 4lb class chain pickerel.   | I’m originally from New Jersey, which yielded 2 previous world record | pickerel.  I now reside in Georgia, where pickerel knowledge | is extremely rare.  Might someone know of good Georgia waters | for trophy pickerel.  The only 2 waters I’m presently aware of | are Lake Seminole and Suwannee River. |                                           Thanx in Advance,   Mark |  Try ClarK Hill Reservoir over by Augusta.

Also lake Richard B. Russell Just north of Clarks Hill outside Elberton David

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Mark, I saw your post and reminisced a little.largemouth bass fishing  When I grew up in South Jersey, pickerel was the gamefish of choice because the bass fishing was pretty poor.  That was the reason I moved to VA. I don’t know about pickerel in GA, but there is some monster pickerel in FL.  I was down there two years ago in Jan and the bass fishing was terrible, but I could not keep the 3 lb. pickerel of my spinnerbait.  It turned an otherwise boring trip into a lot of fun. Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve caught seven largemouth bass over 9 lbs, and one 12 pounder, nevertheless, I still thrill to 2 to 4lb class chain pickerel.   I’m originally from New Jersey, which yielded 2 previous world record pickerel.largemouth bass fishing  I now reside in Georgia, where pickerel knowledge is extremely rare.  Might someone know of good Georgia waters for trophy pickerel.

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Mark: I’m from Jersey also,largemouth bass fishing Manalapan area, and flyrod for pickerel.  They are great.  Where did you fish? Adam

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I’ve caught seven largemouth bass over 9 lbs, and one 12 pounder, nevertheless, I still thrill to 2 to 4lb class chain pickerel.   I’m originally from New Jersey, which yielded 2 previous world record pickerel.  I now reside in Georgia, where pickerel knowledge is extremely rare.  Might someone know of good Georgia waters for trophy pickerel.  The only 2 waters I’m presently aware of are Lake Seminole and Suwannee River.

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MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY 1999 – Neil Cairns.largemouth bass sketches   “Home Rule for Yorkshire”

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MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY 1999

Ditto. Daniel Vesma www.thewebtree.com www.thewebtree.com/daniel-vesma

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O< “Best wishes to you too Dave!”  largemouth bass sketches   Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!!   The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…

Same to you Dave, and to the rest of largemouth bass sketches this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!! The Closest Thing I’ve Got To An Official Web Site: http://www.noteworthymusic.net/otf.htm ** Change “.nospam” to “.com” to send an email :

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happy end of the year to all!!! fred

Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                Best Wishes,                                                           Dave Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!! The Closest Thing I’ve Got To An Official Web Site: http://www.noteworthymusic.net/otf.htm ** Change “.nospam” to “.com” to send an email

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced..largemouth bass sketches. Best Wishes, Dave Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!!

Ok, Daves nick brings up a good question…Why ain’t there no largemouth bass BASS?  (or even a smallie?)

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O< “Best wishes to you too Dave!”     Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!!   The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                   Best Wishes,                                                              Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                Best Wishes,                                                           Dave

Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!! The Closest Thing I’ve Got To An Official Web Site: http://www.noteworthymusic.net/otf.htm ** Change “.nospam” to “.com” to send an email **

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happy end of the year to all!!! fred

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                 Best Wishes,                                                            Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced… Best Wishes, Dave Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!!

Ok, Daves nick brings up a good question…Why ain’t there no largemouth bass BASS?  (or even a smallie?)

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O< “Best wishes to you too Dave!”  /()   ^^   Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!!   The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                   Best Wishes,                                                              Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                Best Wishes,                                                           Dave

Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!! The Closest Thing I’ve Got To An Official Web Site: http://www.noteworthymusic.net/otf.htm ** Change “.nospam” to “.com” to send an email **

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happy end of the year to all!!! fred

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                 Best Wishes,                                                            Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced… Best Wishes, Dave Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!!

Ok, Daves nick brings up a good question…Why ain’t there no largemouth bass BASS?  (or even a smallie?)

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O< “Best wishes to you too Dave!”  /()   ^^   Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!!   The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                   Best Wishes,                                                              Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                Best Wishes,                                                           Dave

Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!! The Closest Thing I’ve Got To An Official Web Site: http://www.noteworthymusic.net/otf.htm ** Change “.nospam” to “.com” to send an email **

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happy end of the year to all!!! fred

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                 Best Wishes,                                                            Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced… Best Wishes, Dave Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!!

Ok, Daves nick brings up a good question…Why ain’t there no largemouth bass BASS?  (or even a smallie?)

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O< “Best wishes to you too Dave!”  /()   ^^   Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!!   The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                   Best Wishes,                                                              Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                Best Wishes,                                                           Dave

Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!! The Closest Thing I’ve Got To An Official Web Site: http://www.noteworthymusic.net/otf.htm ** Change “.nospam” to “.com” to send an email **

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happy end of the year to all!!! fred

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                 Best Wishes,                                                            Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced… Best Wishes, Dave Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!!

Ok, Daves nick brings up a good question…Why ain’t there no largemouth bass BASS?  (or even a smallie?)

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O< “Best wishes to you too Dave!”  /()   ^^   Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!!   The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                   Best Wishes,                                                              Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                Best Wishes,                                                           Dave

Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!! The Closest Thing I’ve Got To An Official Web Site: http://www.noteworthymusic.net/otf.htm ** Change “.nospam” to “.com” to send an email **

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happy end of the year to all!!! fred

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                 Best Wishes,                                                            Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced… Best Wishes, Dave Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!!

Ok, Daves nick brings up a good question…Why ain’t there no largemouth bass BASS?  (or even a smallie?)

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O< “Best wishes to you too Dave!”  /()   ^^   Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!!   The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                   Best Wishes,                                                              Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                Best Wishes,                                                           Dave

Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!! The Closest Thing I’ve Got To An Official Web Site: http://www.noteworthymusic.net/otf.htm ** Change “.nospam” to “.com” to send an email **

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happy end of the year to all!!! fred

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                 Best Wishes,                                                            Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced… Best Wishes, Dave Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!!

Ok, Daves nick brings up a good question…Why ain’t there no largemouth bass BASS?  (or even a smallie?)

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O< “Best wishes to you too Dave!”  /()   ^^   Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!!   The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                   Best Wishes,                                                              Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                Best Wishes,                                                           Dave

Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!! The Closest Thing I’ve Got To An Official Web Site: http://www.noteworthymusic.net/otf.htm ** Change “.nospam” to “.com” to send an email **

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happy end of the year to all!!! fred

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced…                                                 Best Wishes,                                                            Dave

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Merry Christmas to all my fellow merry bass elf brothers!! The one day of the year our G.A.S. is not self-induced… Best Wishes, Dave Same to you Dave, and to the rest of this great group of guys and gals…. Merry Christmas!!!!!!

Ok, Daves nick brings up a good question…Why ain’t there no largemouth bass BASS?  (or even a smallie?)

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Merry Christmas everyone!!  (Prozac must be kicking in!!)  Anyway, for all of those that are alone this Christmas, I wish you well, and I will be thinking of you.  The boards have been a great source for me and I want everyone to know that I appreciate their stories, pain, frustration, humor, and sometimes a little happiness.       Have a great holiday! (:-)  Veronica

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Have a great holiday! (:-)  Veronica

snipped. Same to you Veronica — —– … Something Deep!

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Veronica, And a very merry Christmas to you too! – Jo

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.catch largemouth bass  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.catch largemouth bass  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.catch largemouth bass  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.

Native to where?  Fresh water or marine?catch largemouth bass  Maybe you could try your local county extension office.  Is there a local pond or aquarist’s club in your area? Good luck.

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get,catch largemouth bass and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.

Jennifer,         You must remember that the internet and these newsgroups are worldwide (ie If you are from Brazil, Discus angelfish and Neon tetras are Native fish) I assume you are in North america.   I have not seen much on the net about native fish of north america.catch largemouth bass  My suggestion would be to go to a bookstore and look at a fishing magazine to get info about the native habitats of the fish you are thinking about keeping then try to replicate the habitats. Have Fun Darin

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.

I don’t know of a new group but their is a List Serv called NANF.catch largemouth bass  There isn’t a lot of traffic, but the next time something comes through I will try to get you together with them. — Carl –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ Colstrip, MT  59323-0008 | 406.748.3230         |      Stamp Material –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+

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Assuming you’re talking about North American fish, which fish are you I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.catch largemouth bass  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks

Which fish were you considering? There are hundreds of North American native fish, and many can be kept in the home aquarium.catch largemouth bass Darters, minnows, sunfish, bass, crappie, perches, the list goes on.

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Most mid west natives, at least the common ones suck as pike, pumpkin seeds and bass will quickly out grow a 75 gallon tank, especially bass and pike as they are extremely territorial. Some of the lesser minnows could be kept, but with all of them, water conditions, especially temps are a problem.catch largemouth bass Most species in my region are cold water and the use of a chiller would be neccessary to keep in them in optimal conditions.

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(Jennifer Major) writes: I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks. Jennifer

Jennifer, I wrote an article on keeping native fish in aquaria for Honey Hole Magazine (a Texas bass fishing publication) about a year or so ago.  I have kept both fresh and marine species native to North America in aquaria.  I’m assuming your talking American Natives here.  Of course the peacock bass behind me here in my computer room are natives in South America.  Anyway, you should check on the legality of keeping native fish captive with your state’s DNR or equivalent regulatory authority.  Also the legality of collecting your own fish from  lakes, streams, ditches, etc. Half the fun of keeping the fish is collecting them.  I use a cast net, a minnow seine, dip net, and fish traps to collect with.  You also need an aerated bait box or bucket for transport.  Also you might be able to buy fingerlings from a private hatchery.  You will need to learn the life history and needs such as water quality and type of foods for your charges, all very fun and interesting.  Here is a list of species I have found to do well in aquaria; Freshwater; Largemouth bass, bluegill sunfish, longear sunfish, green sunfish, longnose gar, alligator gar, spotted gar, hybrid striped bass, channel catfish, blue catfish, bullhead catfish, madtom catfish, bowfin, golden shiner, fathead minnow, common carp, red shiner, redear slider turtle, common snapper, alligator snapper, softshell turtle, siren (Amphiuma), ghost shrimp, red swamp crawfish, white crawfish, who knows what else. difficult but possible freshwater species; white and black crappie, redear sunfish, gizzard shad, pirate perch, log perch, Saltwater species; Red drum, pinfish, seargent major, barber pole shrimp, other shrinmps, crabs, sea cucumbers, nudibranchs, mullet, ??? Hope this is useful, e-mail to me if you would like more info, Brett Rowley Fisheries Biologist Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm West Columbia, Texas http://waterscapes.com

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.

<snip NANFA is North American Native Fishes Association. Keep your eyes on some of these newsgroups you posted on, as the organization posts a FAQ or two every month. What I got on them out of most recent FAMA: dues: US, Can & Mex – $15(US)/year. elsewhere: $17(US). For further info, contact: Bruce Gebhardt 123 W Mount Airy Ave, Philadelphia, PA 19119  Jay Exner  -  Allentown – PA – USA  http://www.users.fast.net/~jayexner

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In regards to native fish, There was a nice article on sunfish about a year ago in either FAMA or AFM.  It talked about care and a little about breeding.  Hope it helps. Eric

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks. Jennifer

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks. Jennifer

Native to where?  Fresh water or marine?  Maybe you could try your local county extension office.  Is there a local pond or aquarist’s club in your area? Good luck.

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks. Jennifer

Jennifer,         You must remember that the internet and these newsgroups are worldwide (ie If you are from Brazil, Discus angelfish and Neon tetras are Native fish) I assume you are in North america.   I have not seen much on the net about native fish of north america.  My suggestion would be to go to a bookstore and look at a fishing magazine to get info about the native habitats of the fish you are thinking about keeping then try to replicate the habitats. Have Fun Darin

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.

I don’t know of a new group but their is a List Serv called NANF.  There isn’t a lot of traffic, but the next time something comes through I will try to get you together with them. — Carl –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ Colstrip, MT  59323-0008 | 406.748.3230         |      Stamp Material –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+ –=+

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Assuming you’re talking about North American fish, which fish are you I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks. Jennifer

Which fish were you considering? There are hundreds of North American native fish, and many can be kept in the home aquarium. Darters, minnows, sunfish, bass, crappie, perches, the list goes on.                                                 Bootzy

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Most mid west natives, at least the common ones suck as pike, pumpkin seeds and bass will quickly out grow a 75 gallon tank, especially bass and pike as they are extremely territorial. Some of the lesser minnows could be kept, but with all of them, water conditions, especially temps are a problem. Most species in my region are cold water and the use of a chiller would be neccessary to keep in them in optimal conditions.

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(Jennifer Major) writes: I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks. Jennifer

Jennifer, I wrote an article on keeping native fish in aquaria for Honey Hole Magazine (a Texas bass fishing publication) about a year or so ago.  I have kept both fresh and marine species native to North America in aquaria.  I’m assuming your talking American Natives here.  Of course the peacock bass behind me here in my computer room are natives in South America.  Anyway, you should check on the legality of keeping native fish captive with your state’s DNR or equivalent regulatory authority.  Also the legality of collecting your own fish from  lakes, streams, ditches, etc. Half the fun of keeping the fish is collecting them.  I use a cast net, a minnow seine, dip net, and fish traps to collect with.  You also need an aerated bait box or bucket for transport.  Also you might be able to buy fingerlings from a private hatchery.  You will need to learn the life history and needs such as water quality and type of foods for your charges, all very fun and interesting.  Here is a list of species I have found to do well in aquaria; Freshwater; Largemouth bass, bluegill sunfish, longear sunfish, green sunfish, longnose gar, alligator gar, spotted gar, hybrid striped bass, channel catfish, blue catfish, bullhead catfish, madtom catfish, bowfin, golden shiner, fathead minnow, common carp, red shiner, redear slider turtle, common snapper, alligator snapper, softshell turtle, siren (Amphiuma), ghost shrimp, red swamp crawfish, white crawfish, who knows what else. difficult but possible freshwater species; white and black crappie, redear sunfish, gizzard shad, pirate perch, log perch, Saltwater species; Red drum, pinfish, seargent major, barber pole shrimp, other shrinmps, crabs, sea cucumbers, nudibranchs, mullet, ??? Hope this is useful, e-mail to me if you would like more info, Brett Rowley Fisheries Biologist Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm West Columbia, Texas http://waterscapes.com

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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.

<snip NANFA is North American Native Fishes Association. Keep your eyes on some of these newsgroups you posted on, as the organization posts a FAQ or two every month. What I got on them out of most recent FAMA: dues: US, Can & Mex – $15(US)/year. elsewhere: $17(US). For further info, contact: Bruce Gebhardt 123 W Mount Airy Ave, Philadelphia, PA 19119  Jay Exner  -  Allentown – PA – USA  http://www.users.fast.net/~jayexner

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In regards to native fish, There was a nice article on sunfish about a year ago in either FAMA or AFM.  It talked about care and a little about breeding.  Hope it helps. Eric

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Well, spring is coming,smallmouth largemouth bass and this weekend, I will most likely be pumping out the melted snow from my pond, raking etc. This is all in preparation for expanding my current size from 1000 to 3000, and adding a watercourse from some rockwork to the waterfall. I tend to lean towards more informal natural styling, so it’s off to my favorite abandoned quarry for more limestone, a lot more limestone.smallmouth largemouth bass I have already ordered the new liner and will use the old one for the water course, and my filter set up from the previous year will be more than sufficient, so as I look out the front window, the thought of breaking my back moving dirt and rock for a month brings back bitter sweet memories, but then the evenings spent sitting on my deck watching the local wildlife come to play makes up for it all. This is the fifth year of pond keeping for me, and few lessons I have learned might be of interest to others just starting out. So here goes: 1) If at all possible, set up a bottom drain, with an inline pre-filter. This is an extremely effective method of keeping debris off the bottom, especially if you have a have gentle slope to the drain. The pre-filter will save your pump. 2) Keep chemical usage at a minimum. It will cause unstable water conditions that will do more harm than good.smallmouth largemouth bass If a product has warnings about use in public waters, don’t use it at all. Strive instead to balance your miniature eco system and eventually, it will become very little work to maintain it. 3) Wildlife will find your pond, snakes, racoons etc. If you follow my philosophy, these creatures will be welcome.  Throw some crayfish, “feeder” goldfish in occasionally, and you will find your prized stock left unmolested. And if you can’t find enjoyment in the antics of a few racoons splashing around in your pond, then hey, lighten up. 4) I prefer to keep natives in my pond (being from Iowa, they are easier to keep) and if you are just beginning, you will find them to be hardy and depending on the species kept, quite colorful. My current stock includes four pumpkin seeds ablaze with irradescent rainbows that put any koi to shame, a small pike (a beautifultiger striped predator) and one 4 1/2 pound largemouth bass. I bought breeder stock from a local fishery except for smallmouth largemouth bass the pike which was bought a an aquarist shop and my total investment was less than $50.00 and I find I can keep my pond up longer in the fall than I could with koi. Now as a side note, I have watched with great amusement the raging (???) debate of a few photographs, pond related. Contrary to what some may believe, this not purely a discussion group, it is an OPEN forum for the exchange of information concerning ponds, including graphics ie photos or drawings. It would seem the majority of the dissenters are those who download every new article posted to this group. To those people, Iwould say don’t be a fool. Besides getting postings you might not want,smallmouth largemouth bass  you leave yourself open to thepossibility of downloading something that could quite possibly be harmful to your machine, and even illegal. Not knowing what you are downloading is no no excuse for complaining when you get something you don’t want. And if you don’t know how to set your software to avoid binary postings, that is not the fault of those who post pictures of their gardens to this group. Moreover, in as much as it is appropriate to post other than text only files here, I will, in the course of contsruction, be posting such photos as I deem necessary to illustrate my points. Antone who feels it their duty to critcise mr for this might as well know,smallmouth largemouth bass I do not take kindly to lamers who think they know it all when flaming people. I have been out here on the net for many years, even before usenet was conceived and I can tell you this, I can play games with the best of them, and I never lose. So grow up, quit complaing and lets get on with this group’s mission, the promotion of pond keeping.

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Now as a side note, I have watched with great amusement the raging (???) debate of a few photographs, pond related. Contrary to what some may believe, this not purely a discussion group, it is an OPEN forum for the exchange of information concerning ponds, including graphics ie photos or drawings. It would seem the majority of the dissenters are those who download every new article posted to this group. To those people, Iwould say don’t be a fool. Besides getting postings you might not want, you leave yourself open to thepossibility of downloading something that could quite possibly be harmful to your machine, and even illegal. Not knowing what you are downloading is no no excuse for complaining when you get something you don’t want. And if you don’t know how to set your software to avoid binary postings, that is not the fault of those who post pictures of their gardens to this group. Moreover, in as much as it is appropriate to post other than text only files here, I will, in the course of contsruction, be posting such photos as I deem necessary to illustrate my points. Antone who feels it their duty to critcise mr for this might as well know, I do not take kindly to lamers who think they know it all when flaming people. I have been out here on the net for many years, even before usenet was conceived and I can tell you this, I can play games with the best of them, and I never lose. So grow up, quit complaing and lets get on with this group’s mission, the promotion of pond keeping.

Sigh … this topic always seems to come up.  And it always turns into a battle between the haves and the have nots.  I unfortunately happen to be one of the many have nots.  There are many of us that are not on the ’superexpress way’ of the net, rather more like the backroads.  I, and I am sure many others, do not get unlimited cheap access to the internet.  I, and I am sure many others, pay quite dearly for access to the internet and for telephone services.  Unless I move to where the above poster lives, I don’t really have a choice in this matter.  Nor do I want to double my time and effort to preview headers for the groups that I wish to read. Since you have used the net for so many years, surely you must know of the convention that will most likely please everyone concerned.  A person with an interesting picture/sound clip/etc can post said article into the appropriate general binary group and leave a pointer to that information on the group itself.  Then those of you ‘usenet wizards’ that wish to see such pictures, can busily suck them down your 50 gazillion bytes per second pipeline on your 90 katrillion MHz Cray.  Us mere mortals, or those not interested in the pictures can happily read the posts.  It would seem that both parties will be happy, no?  Why is this such a difficult concept?

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Now as a side note, I have watched with great amusement the raging (???) debate of a few photographs, pond related. Contrary to what some may believe, this not purely a discussion group, it is an OPEN forum for the exchange of information concerning ponds, including graphics ie photos or drawings. It would seem the majority of the dissenters are those who download every new article posted to this group. To those people, Iwould say don’t be a fool. Besides getting postings you might not want, you leave yourself open to thepossibility of downloading something that could quite possibly be harmful to your machine, and even illegal. Not knowing what you are downloading is no no excuse for complaining when you get something you don’t want. And if you don’t know how to set your software to avoid binary postings, that is not the fault of those who post pictures of their gardens to this group. Moreover, in as much as it is appropriate to post other than text only files here, I will, in the course of contsruction, be posting such photos as I deem necessary to illustrate my points. Antone who feels it their duty to critcise mr for this might as well know, I do not take kindly to lamers who think they know it all when flaming people. I have been out here on the net for many years, even before usenet was conceived and I can tell you this, I can play games with the best of them, and I never lose. So grow up, quit complaing and lets get on with this group’s mission, the promotion of pond keeping. Sigh … this topic always seems to come up.  And it always turns into a battle between the haves and the have nots.  I unfortunately happen to be one of the many have nots.  There are many of us that are not on the ’superexpress way’ of the net, rather more like the backroads.  I, and I am sure many others, do not get unlimited cheap access to the internet.  I, and I am sure many others, pay quite dearly for access to the internet and for telephone services.  Unless I move to where the above poster lives, I don’t really have a choice in this matter.  Nor do I want to double my time and effort to preview headers for the groups that I wish to read. Since you have used the net for so many years, surely you must know of the convention that will most likely please everyone concerned.  A person with an interesting picture/sound clip/etc can post said article into the appropriate general binary group and leave a pointer to that information on the group itself.  Then those of you ‘usenet wizards’ that wish to see such pictures, can busily suck them down your 50 gazillion bytes per second pipeline on your 90 katrillion MHz Cray.  Us mere mortals, or those not interested in the pictures can happily read the posts.  It would seem that both parties will be happy, no?  Why is this such a difficult concept?

Concept ??.  I read the header (it took about 2 seconds), it stated ‘The Ribet Method– The pictures I promised’ mypond.jpg.. I think you could have  figured these were ” pictures “.. I think the your phrase ..” .Nor do I want to double my time and effort to preview headers for the groups that I wish to read.” explains what the problem is to you it may be to much effort, but I myself enjoyed the pictures and didn’t mind taking the effort to download them…

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What kind of liner did you decide on?smallmouth largemouth bass We also have mud bottom ponds, and like the wildlife and so on. Mostly, because we’re in town, we get possums and lots of birds. We’re on the major flight way and get a lot of seasonals. We also keep natives in our pond. We use them like canaries for the water quality problems we experience. They are more sensitive than koi to water quality changes, like pH, chlorine and mineral content, less sensitive to heat and more gradual changes. Thanks

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Concept ??.  I read the header (it took about 2 seconds), it stated ‘The Ribet Method– The pictures I promised’ mypond.jpg.. I think you could have  figured these were ” pictures “.. I think the your phrase ..” .Nor do I want to double my time and effort to preview headers for the groups that I wish to read.” explains what the problem is to you it may be to much effort, but I myself enjoyed the pictures and didn’t mind taking the effort to download them…

Yes there is no doubt in this case that the files in question are pictures. My point is why should everyone have to preview their news so that a minority (?) of people that are interested in the pictures are not inconvenienced.  I subscribe to about 20 or 30 newsgroups, some that are heavily posted, some that aren’t (and I realize that rec.ponds is not a high traffic group).  It would be a real bother to have to preview all these newsgroups to get something that is interesting to me. Even with a lot of the technical groups, the noise to signal ratio is rather obnoxiously high.  And even with a killfile it can take an obscene amount of time to killfile certain groups. If I do do this previewing as you propose, that means I get to call up my ISP twice plus spend time previewing the headers for interesting posts … yes a fantastic use of my time and my money.  Compare this to the slight inconvenience to those that want the pictures … click (because I’m supposing that they’re fortunate enought to be able to be (semi)permanently jacked online for a trifling amount) to another newsgroup, look for the post and download it.  I imagine anyone that is willing to spend 10-15 minutes downloading these megabytes of pictures is willing to spend another couple of minutes looking them up. Please look at the consequences.  Your proposal practically dictates that everyone preview their news.  I propose that only those that are interested in the binaries spend a few more minutes to get them.  Your proposal penalizes anyone that is not hooked into the net cheaply.  My proposal penalizes those that are likely able to afford the inconvenience of looking for the pretty pictures.  If the majority of people on this newsgroup want the pretty pictures then I stand corrected.  But this newsgroup has been doing just peachy for the last year or so with the paucity of pictures.

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Well, spring is coming, and this weekend, I will most likely be pumping out the melted snow from my pond, raking etc. This is all in preparation for expanding my current size from 1000 to 3000, and adding a watercourse from some rockwork to the waterfall. I tend to lean towards more informal natural styling, so it’s off to my favorite abandoned quarry for more limestone, a lot more limestone. I have already ordered the new liner and will use the old one for the water course, and my filter set up from the previous year will be more than sufficient, so as I look out the front window, the thought of breaking my back moving dirt and rock for a month brings back bitter sweet memories, but then the evenings spent sitting on my deck watching the local wildlife come to play makes up for it all. This is the fifth year of pond keeping for me, and few lessons I have learned might be of interest to others just starting out. So here goes: 1) If at all possible, set up a bottom drain, with an inline pre-filter. This is an extremely effective method of keeping debris off the bottom, especially if you have a have gentle slope to the drain. The pre-filter will save your pump. 2) Keep chemical usage at a minimum. It will cause unstable water conditions that will do more harm than good. If a product has warnings about use in public waters, don’t use it at all. Strive instead to balance your miniature eco system and eventually, it will become very little work to maintain it. 3) Wildlife will find your pond, snakes, racoons etc. If you follow my philosophy, these creatures will be welcome.  Throw some crayfish, “feeder” goldfish in occasionally, and you will find your prized stock left unmolested. And if you can’t find enjoyment in the antics of a few racoons splashing around in your pond, then hey, lighten up. 4) I prefer to keep natives in my pond (being from Iowa, they are easier to keep) and if you are just beginning, you will find them to be hardy and depending on the species kept, quite colorful. My current stock includes four pumpkin seeds ablaze with irradescent rainbows that put any koi to shame, a small pike (a beautifultiger striped predator) and one 4 1/2 pound largemouth bass. I bought breeder stock from a local fishery except for the pike which was bought a an aquarist shop and my total investment was less than $50.00 and I find I can keep my pond up longer in the fall than I could with koi. Now as a side note, I have watched with great amusement the raging (???) debate of a few photographs, pond related. Contrary to what some may believe, this not purely a discussion group, it is an OPEN forum for the exchange of information concerning ponds, including graphics ie photos or drawings. It would seem the majority of the dissenters are those who download every new article posted to this group. To those people, Iwould say don’t be a fool. Besides getting postings you might not want, you leave yourself open to thepossibility of downloading something that could quite possibly be harmful to your machine, and even illegal. Not knowing what you are downloading is no no excuse for complaining when you get something you don’t want. And if you don’t know how to set your software to avoid binary postings, that is not the fault of those who post pictures of their gardens to this group. Moreover, in as much as it is appropriate to post other than text only files here, I will, in the course of contsruction, be posting such photos as I deem necessary to illustrate my points. Antone who feels it their duty to critcise mr for this might as well know, I do not take kindly to lamers who think they know it all when flaming people. I have been out here on the net for many years, even before usenet was conceived and I can tell you this, I can play games with the best of them, and I never lose. So grow up, quit complaing and lets get on with this group’s mission, the promotion of pond keeping.

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Now as a side note, I have watched with great amusement the raging (???) debate of a few photographs, pond related. Contrary to what some may believe, this not purely a discussion group, it is an OPEN forum for the exchange of information concerning ponds, including graphics ie photos or drawings. It would seem the majority of the dissenters are those who download every new article posted to this group. To those people, Iwould say don’t be a fool. Besides getting postings you might not want, you leave yourself open to thepossibility of downloading something that could quite possibly be harmful to your machine, and even illegal. Not knowing what you are downloading is no no excuse for complaining when you get something you don’t want. And if you don’t know how to set your software to avoid binary postings, that is not the fault of those who post pictures of their gardens to this group. Moreover, in as much as it is appropriate to post other than text only files here, I will, in the course of contsruction, be posting such photos as I deem necessary to illustrate my points. Antone who feels it their duty to critcise mr for this might as well know, I do not take kindly to lamers who think they know it all when flaming people. I have been out here on the net for many years, even before usenet was conceived and I can tell you this, I can play games with the best of them, and I never lose. So grow up, quit complaing and lets get on with this group’s mission, the promotion of pond keeping.

Sigh … this topic always seems to come up.  And it always turns into a battle between the haves and the have nots.  I unfortunately happen to be one of the many have nots.  There are many of us that are not on the ’superexpress way’ of the net, rather more like the backroads.smallmouth largemouth bass  I, and I am sure many others, do not get unlimited cheap access to the internet.  I, and I am sure many others, pay quite dearly for access to the internet and for telephone services.  Unless I move to where the above poster lives, I don’t really have a choice in this matter.  Nor do I want to double my time and effort to preview headers for the groups that I wish to read. Since you have used the net for so many years, surely you must know of the convention that will most likely please everyone concerned.  A person with an interesting picture/sound clip/etc can post said article into the appropriate general binary group and leave a pointer to that information on the group itself.  Then those of you ‘usenet wizards’ that wish to see such pictures, can busily suck them down your 50 gazillion bytes per second pipeline on your 90 katrillion MHz Cray.  Us mere mortals, or those not interested in the pictures can happily read the posts.  It would seem that both parties will be happy, no?  Why is this such a difficult concept?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now as a side note, I have watched with great amusement the raging (???) debate of a few photographs, pond related. Contrary to what some may believe, this not purely a discussion group, it is an OPEN forum for the exchange of information concerning ponds, including graphics ie photos or drawings. It would seem the majority of the dissenters are those who download every new article posted to this group. To those people, Iwould say don’t be a fool. Besides getting postings you might not want, you leave yourself open to thepossibility of downloading something that could quite possibly be harmful to your machine, and even illegal. Not knowing what you are downloading is no no excuse for complaining when you get something you don’t want. And if you don’t know how to set your software to avoid binary postings, that is not the fault of those who post pictures of their gardens to this group. Moreover, in as much as it is appropriate to post other than text only files here, I will, in the course of contsruction, be posting such photos as I deem necessary to illustrate my points. Antone who feels it their duty to critcise mr for this might as well know, I do not take kindly to lamers who think they know it all when flaming people. I have been out here on the net for many years, even before usenet was conceived and I can tell you this, I can play games with the best of them, and I never lose. So grow up, quit complaing and lets get on with this group’s mission, the promotion of pond keeping. Sigh … this topic always seems to come up.  And it always turns into a battle between the haves and the have nots.  I unfortunately happen to be one of the many have nots.  There are many of us that are not on the ’superexpress way’ of the net, rather more like the backroads.  I, and I am sure many others, do not get unlimited cheap access to the internet.  I, and I am sure many others, pay quite dearly for access to the internet and for telephone services.  Unless I move to where the above poster lives, I don’t really have a choice in this matter.  Nor do I want to double my time and effort to preview headers for the groups that I wish to read. Since you have used the net for so many years, surely you must know of the convention that will most likely please everyone concerned.  A person with an interesting picture/sound clip/etc can post said article into the appropriate general binary group and leave a pointer to that information on the group itself.  Then those of you ‘usenet wizards’ that wish to see such pictures, can busily suck them down your 50 gazillion bytes per second pipeline on your 90 katrillion MHz Cray.  Us mere mortals, or those not interested in the pictures can happily read the posts.  It would seem that both parties will be happy, no?  Why is this such a difficult concept?

Concept ??.  I read the header (it took about 2 seconds), it stated ‘The Ribet Method– The pictures I promised’ mypond.jpg.. I think you could have  figured these were ” pictures “.. I think the your phrase ..” .Nor do I want to double my time and effort to preview headers for the groups that I wish to read.” explains what the problem is to you it may be to much effort, but I myself enjoyed the pictures and didn’t mind taking the effort to download them…

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What kind of liner did you decide on? We also have mud bottom ponds, and like the wildlife and so on. Mostly, because we’re in town, we get possums and lots of birds. We’re on the major flight way and get a lot of seasonals. We also keep natives in our pond. We use them like canaries for the water quality problems we experience. They are more sensitive than koi to water quality changes, like pH, chlorine and mineral content, less sensitive to heat and more gradual changes. Thanks for the note. -SR

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Concept ??.  I read the header (it took about 2 seconds), it stated ‘The Ribet Method– The pictures I promised’ mypond.jpg.. I think you could have  figured these were ” pictures “.. I think the your phrase ..” .Nor do I want to double my time and effort to preview headers for the groups that I wish to read.” explains what the problem is to you it may be to much effort, but I myself enjoyed the pictures and didn’t mind taking the effort to download them…

Yes there is no doubt in this case that the files in question are pictures. My point is why should everyone have to preview their news so that a minority (?) of people that are interested in the pictures are not inconvenienced.  I subscribe to about 20 or 30 newsgroups, some that are heavily posted, some that aren’t (and I realize that rec.ponds is not a high traffic group).  It would be a real bother to have to preview all these newsgroups to get something that is interesting to me. Even with a lot of the technical groups, the noise to signal ratio is rather obnoxiously high.  And even with a killfile it can take an obscene amount of time to killfile certain groups. If I do do this previewing as you propose, that means I get to call up my ISP twice plus spend time previewing the headers for interesting posts … yes a fantastic use of my time and my money.  Compare this to the slight inconvenience to those that want the pictures … click (because I’m supposing that they’re fortunate enought to be able to be (semi)permanently jacked online for a trifling amount) to another newsgroup, look for the post and download it.  I imagine anyone that is willing to spend 10-15 minutes downloading these megabytes of pictures is willing to spend another couple of minutes looking them up. Please look at the consequences.  Your proposal practically dictates that everyone preview their news.  I propose that only those that are interested in the binaries spend a few more minutes to get them.  Your proposal penalizes anyone that is not hooked into the net cheaply.  My proposal penalizes those that are likely able to afford the inconvenience of looking for the pretty pictures.  If the majority of people on this newsgroup want the pretty pictures then I stand corrected.  But this newsgroup has been doing just peachy for the last year or so with the paucity of pictures.

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Catfish would be a great addition,largemouth bass stocking they are bottom dwellers and create a great source of pest clean up since they are meat eaters.largemouth bass stocking I have a 3 acre farm pond on a formerly working farm in southern Virginia that supports largemouth bass, brim, bluegill, turtles, a blue heron, ducks passing through, and infrequent visits from a river otter. My questions: Any negative impact on the pond ecology/structure by introducing catfish? Any benefits? Do they reproduce?  If not, then why not? What kind are preferred?largemouth bass stocking  Why? Thanks in advance

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I have a 3 acre farm pond on largemouth bass stocking a formerly working farm in southern Virginia that supports largemouth bass, brim, bluegill, turtles, a blue heron, ducks passing through, and infrequent visits from a river otter. My questions: Any negative impact on the pond ecology/structure by introducing catfish? Any benefits? Do they reproduce?  If not, then why not? What kind are preferred?  Why? Thanks in advance

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I have a 3 acre farm pond on a formerly working farm in southern Virginia that supports largemouth bass, brim, bluegill, turtles, a blue heron, ducks passing through, and infrequent visits from a river otter. My questions: Any negative impact on the pond ecologylargemouth bass stocking/structure by introducing catfish?

Not unless you overstock, then problems will arise.  Stocking density for channel and/or blue catfish in such a pond should be no more than 200 per acre. Any benefits?

Sure, catfish are good to catch and eat.largemouth bass stocking  If you feed them, the nutrients added to the pond will make it more fertile. Do they reproduce?

They might lay eggs, recruitment of catfish in such ponds is very low.   If not, then why not? The other fish in the pond will eat thier eggs and fry.  Catfish are usually spawned in “clean” (no other fish) ponds and the eggs gathered daily to be incubated in the lab. What kind are preferred?

I love the blue catfish (Ictaluris furcatus).  Why? Grows faster, gets bigger, doesn’t stir the pond up, eats anything, makes the best “sporting” catfish, looks beautiful, a better fish any way you want to compare.  Hard to find, though.  Most hatcheries produce the inferior channel catfish (Ictaluris punctatus).   Best of luck, Brett – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks in advance

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Catfish would be a great addition, they are bottom dwellers and create a great source of pest clean up since they are meat eaters. Jon

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 3 acre farm pond on a formerly working farm in southern Virginia that supports largemouth bass, brim, bluegill, turtles, a blue heron, ducks passing through, and infrequent visits from a river otter. My questions: Any negative impact on the pond ecology/structure by introducing catfish? Any benefits? Do they reproduce?  If not, then why not? What kind are preferred?  Why? Thanks in advance

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I have a 3 acre farm pond on a formerly working farm in southern Virginia that supports largemouth bass, brim, bluegill, turtles, a blue heron, ducks passing through, and infrequent visits from a river otter. My questions: Any negative impact on the pond ecology/structure by introducing catfish? Any benefits? Do they reproduce?  If not, then why not? What kind are preferred?  Why? Thanks in advance

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I have a 3 acre farm pond on a formerly working farm in southern Virginia that supports largemouth bass, brim, bluegill, turtles, a blue heron, ducks passing through, and infrequent visits from a river otter. My questions: Any negative impact on the pond ecology/structure by introducing catfish?

Not unless you overstock, then problems will arise.  Stocking density for channel and/or blue catfish in such a pond should be no more than 200 per acre. Any benefits?

Sure, catfish are good to catch and eat.  If you feed them, the nutrients added to the pond will make it more fertile. Do they reproduce?

They might lay eggs, recruitment of catfish in such ponds is very low.   If not, then why not? The other fish in the pond will eat thier eggs and fry.  Catfish are usually spawned in “clean” (no other fish) ponds and the eggs gathered daily to be incubated in the lab. What kind are preferred?

I love the blue catfish (Ictaluris furcatus).  Why? Grows faster, gets bigger, doesn’t stir the pond up, eats anything, makes the best “sporting” catfish, looks beautiful, a better fish any way you want to compare.  Hard to find, though.  Most hatcheries produce the inferior channel catfish (Ictaluris punctatus).   Best of luck, Brett – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks in advance

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So,largemouth bass fishing if ‘juicing’ a deer doesn’t work, why would B & C or any scoring organization want to tissue test deer? I believe that some of the reasoning behind tissue testing is to make sure

there is no chance of the deer being a black-tail hybrid.largemouth bass fishing  I have seen where very large deer have been disqualified because it was discovered that they were a “mix-breed.” Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:

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I’m sure there IS literature out there about how GH increases antler mass, but who wrote it? largemouth bass fishing I e-mailed the world’s formost expert on antler development, George A. Bubenik, of the Dept. of Zoology at the University of the giant antlers (of the Rompola buck) are the result of some steroid brew.  Is there any validity to these speculations?”  His reply: “Sure, there are some promising treatments on the drawing board,largemouth bass fishing but so far I am not aware of ANYTHING PRACTICAL at this time.”

Albeit you’ve contacted a reputable zoologist, all one needs to do here is read is reply to deduce that there certainly MAY WELL BE antler enhancing supplements out there. There are literally dozens of companies selling ‘diet supplements’ that ‘enhance antler mass’. Clearly some are gimmics …… but just maybe …..largemouth bass fishing.. This tissue testing DOES NOT occur now.  I was referring to others’ suggestions that maybe B&C SHOULD do it in the future to make sure all their record book animals are pure.

Ah ….. so we agree on this concept ! The suggestion is hardly naive.  It’s naive to believe simply testing an animal’s tissues would prove it’s juiced, because the ‘juice’ may have been ingested ‘innocently’.

course would have to be a standard,largemouth bass fishing or a norm, established ……. but that shouldn’t be terribly difficult. again from an expert (an antler replicator who has copied most of the world’s biggest racks), Hmmmm……. so would this ‘artist’ be a molecular biologist, a vertebrate biologist, and an ungulate biologist all wrapped up in one ???? You snipped this out of context and combined two sentences.  This destroys the original point, and thus your question is nonsensical.

See above. My ‘context’ was taken from ONE (1) of your sentences (it’s still there, in b&w). The question is not nonsensical ……. and what WAS your original point ? No kidding – all deer rub their antlers?  Wild deer rarely (if ever) rub their antlers on ANYTHING which would cause scoring of the bone. Pen raised bucks ALWAYS DO, rub on steel wire fences and score their tines that

is. Likely a function of the fence BEING there. Turn that same ‘pen raised’ buck loose as a yearling and odds are this ‘phenomenon’ doesn’t occur.   As I said, I got this information from Klaus Lebrecht, a renowned antler replicator, who has copied lots of giant racks, from pen raised AND wild deer.  I’m sure their are indicators besides gore marks on the antlers which would prove a buck was pen raised.

tough one to ‘prove’. Just what is it, specifically, you find atypical about Rompola’s buck? What hideous mutations qualify it as being different than other record book animals?

You tell me: http://www.ualberta.ca/~rg/deercomp.htm Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Do some more reading and asking. There IS literature out there that suggests that GH DOES, in fact, increase antler mass ……. and if used

Here you go again CLAIMING there is some proof but again you fail to list what it is. Provide us with the name of this literature so we can all read it and then maybe we could agree with you. But I doubt you will provide it because I doubt it exists.  It would serve no purpose.  Besides, as already pointed out, how can one eliminate a deer from record book consideration simply because it has substances in its tissues which are not ‘natural’? That suggestion is more naive than the suggestion that such specimens SHOULD be disqualified.

Again your wrong. There are places where there are NATURAL concentrations of minerals that promote antler growth. I know of a couple of areas here in Michigan where biologists have determined this to be the case although I can’t say for sure the area where the Rompola buck was taken is like that. So we should disqualify any deer with a higher than normal level of certain minerals. Yeah right. Hmmmm……. so would this ‘artist’ be a molecular biologist, a vertebrate biologist, and an ungulate biologist all wrapped up in one ????

And like you are? Oh that’s right your the master and smarter than everyone else, I forgot. <sarcasm meant To even CONSIDER disqualifying an animal because of “deep gore marks from raking restricting fences” is assinine. In all of this discussion about ‘legality’ of WR entrants, this ranks right up there with ANY theory based upon circumstantial evidence only. ALL bucks rub their antlers  (some of these rubs may even be in unfenced areas), and what IF a deep gore in the antler results …. it’s disqualified ? That is ludicrous. At least the ‘dietary supplement’ theory COULD be measured (provided a protocol could be established and put into place ….. and no one is saying that it would be easy) and disqualification based upon something measurable. “Diagnosing” (as you put it) a buck that has been pen raised may be possible (I wouldn’t want to try and prove it without appropriate evidence), but it certainly would have to rely on something more than gore marks in the antlers.

This isn’t any more asinine than your theories or beliefs. Recently you said something about 400lbs of proof when referring to the Rompola buck which weighs 263 lbs, where do you come up with 400 lbs out of 263 lbs, which isn’t that large. I now of several deer taken here in Michigan that have weighed more than that. When deer live in farm areas, they receive all the food they need to grow to large sizes. But again let’s go back to the beginning, provide some proof. Don’t just claim there is some proof like you have been, provide it. Ever hear of put up or shut up. It applies here. You have been challenged to provide the proof that you CLAIM is out there, now do it. Otherwise we’ll have to put you in the category that you wish to put Rompola, that is as a wannabe. Kevin Volz Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Do some more reading and asking. There IS literature out there that suggests that GH DOES, in fact, increase antler mass ……. and if used

I’m sure there IS literature out there about how GH increases antler mass, but who wrote it?  I e-mailed the world’s formost expert on antler development, George A. Bubenik, of the Dept. of Zoology at the University of giant antlers (of the Rompola buck) are the result of some steroid brew.  Is there any validity to these speculations?”  His reply: “Sure, there are some promising treatments on the drawing board, but so far I am not aware of ANYTHING PRACTICAL at this time.” IF this were to be true, (i.e. B&C insisting on tissue testing, and there is no reason to believe that to be accurate – it has never been reported), then it is probably because they have gone that extra mile to solicit more ‘knowledgeable’  biologist/scientist opinions re: effects of various substances on antler development.

This tissue testing DOES NOT occur now.  I was referring to others’ suggestions that maybe B&C SHOULD do it in the future to make sure all their record book animals are pure. It would serve no purpose.  Besides, as already pointed out, how can one eliminate a deer from record book consideration simply because it has substances in its tissues which are not ‘natural’? That suggestion is more naive than the suggestion that such specimens SHOULD be disqualified.

The suggestion is hardly naive.  It’s naive to believe simply testing an animal’s tissues would prove it’s juiced, because the ‘juice’ may have been ingested ‘innocently’.  Check out the list of chemicals in your average farmer’s stock.  To believe deer cannot ingest such when they’re introduced into the environment is foolish, and to say the deer should be disqualified again from an expert (an antler replicator who has copied most of the world’s biggest racks), Hmmmm……. so would this ‘artist’ be a molecular biologist, a vertebrate biologist, and an ungulate biologist all wrapped up in one ????

You snipped this out of context and combined two sentences.  This destroys the original point, and thus your question is nonsensical. To even CONSIDER disqualifying an animal because of “deep gore marks about ‘legality’ of WR entrants, this ranks right up there with ANY theory based upon circumstantial evidence only. ALL bucks rub their antlers  (some of these rubs may even be in unfenced areas), and what IF a deep gore in the antler results …. it’s disqualified ? That is ludicrous.

No kidding – all deer rub their antlers?  Wild deer rarely (if ever) rub their antlers on ANYTHING which would cause scoring of the bone.  Pen raised bucks ALWAYS DO, rub on steel wire fences and score their tines that is.  As I said, I got this information from Klaus Lebrecht, a renowned antler replicator, who has copied lots of giant racks, from pen raised AND wild deer.  I’m sure their are indicators besides gore marks on the antlers which would prove a buck was pen raised. Just what is it, specifically, you find atypical about Rompola’s buck?  What hideous mutations qualify it as being different than other record book animals? Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:        http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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I hope this buck is not a hoax. It would have been nice if interviews and pictures were published. If this in fact is the largest buck ever taken we should be celebrating this with Mr. Rompola. In fact I wish i could shake his hand, maybe some of his luck would rub off onto me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple points to consider: first, I’ve contacted knowledgable antler specialists who confirm that neither steroids specifically nor any hormone brew will grow bigger antlers on whitetails.  If that worked, there’d be lots of monsters strutting their stuff on hunting preserves/game farms all over the country.  So, if ‘juicing’ a deer doesn’t work, why would B & C or any scoring organization want to tissue test deer?  It would serve no purpose.  Besides, as already pointed out, how can one eliminate a deer from record book consideration simply because it has substances in its tissues which are not ‘natural’?  Check out the list of chemicals in your average farmer’s stock.  To believe deer cannot ingest such when they’re introduced into the environment is foolish, and to say the deer should be disqualified again from an expert (an antler replicator who has copied most of the world’s biggest racks), diagnosing a buck as pen raised isn’t all that difficult.  Most of these beasts have deep gore marks on their antlers from raking them across the fences which keep them captive.  More than one fraud has been exposed because of this interesting point.  Finally, all this talk about the deer’s appearance: what do you expect?  This is a gigantic buck which bears little resemblance to the average whitetail because it’s a WORLD RECORD!  Normal deer do not attain world record status.  Did you ever look at the world record largemouth bass?  It looks nothing like a run-of-the-mill bucketmouth (almost seems to be another species), but then again, I wouldn’t expect it to! Richard A. Wulterkens Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:        http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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A couple points to consider: first, I’ve contacted knowledgable antler specialists who confirm that neither steroids specifically nor any hormone brew will grow bigger antlers on whitetails.

Do some more reading and asking. There IS literature out there that suggests that GH DOES, in fact, increase antler mass ……. and if used  If that worked, there’d be lots of monsters strutting their stuff on hunting preserves/game farms all over the country.  So, if ‘juicing’ a deer doesn’t work, why would B & C or any scoring organization want to tissue test deer?

IF this were to be true, (i.e. B&C insisting on tissue testing, and there is no reason to believe that to be accurate – it has never been reported), then it is probably because they have gone that extra mile to solicit more ‘knowledgeable’  biologist/scientist opinions re: effects of various substances on antler development.  It would serve no purpose.  Besides, as already pointed out, how can one eliminate a deer from record book consideration simply because it has substances in its tissues which are not ‘natural’?

That suggestion is more naive than the suggestion that such specimens SHOULD be disqualified.   Check out the list of chemicals in your average farmer’s stock.  To believe deer cannot ingest such when they’re introduced into the environment is foolish, and to say the deer should be disqualified again from an expert (an antler replicator who has copied most of the world’s biggest racks),

Hmmmm……. so would this ‘artist’ be a molecular biologist, a vertebrate biologist, and an ungulate biologist all wrapped up in one ????  diagnosing a buck as pen raised isn’t all that difficult.  Most of these beasts have deep gore marks on their antlers from raking them across the fences which keep them captive.  More than one fraud has been exposed because of this interesting point.

To even CONSIDER disqualifying an animal because of “deep gore marks about ‘legality’ of WR entrants, this ranks right up there with ANY theory based upon circumstantial evidence only. ALL bucks rub their antlers  (some of these rubs may even be in unfenced areas), and what IF a deep gore in the antler results …. it’s disqualified ? That is ludicrous. At least the ‘dietary supplement’ theory COULD be measured (provided a protocol could be established and put into place ….. and no one is saying that it would be easy) and disqualification based upon something measurable. “Diagnosing” (as you put it) a buck that has been pen raised may be possible (I wouldn’t want to try and prove it without appropriate evidence), but it certainly would have to rely on something more than gore marks in the antlers.   Finally, all this talk about the deer’s appearance: what do you expect?  This is a gigantic buck which bears little resemblance to the average whitetail because it’s a WORLD RECORD!

NO ! The fact that it is a potential WR has NOTHING to do with why it does NOT look like a typical white tail. All typical WR white tails to date (the existing being no exception) ‘looked’ typical. We can argue this until the next sighting of Hale-Bop ……. it has become semantic.   Normal deer do not attain world record status.  Did you ever look at the world record largemouth bass?  It looks nothing like a run-of-the-mill bucketmouth (almost seems to be another species), but then again, I wouldn’t expect it to!

Did you ever look at the existing WR (typical white tail). It looks almost identical to MILLIONS of other white tail, both afoot or mounted ……. only on a slightly larger scale. And no ….. I’ve never looked at the WR large mouthed bass …… just simply not interested …… thanks. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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A couple points to consider: first, I’ve contacted knowledgable antler specialists who confirm that neither steroids specifically nor any hormone brew will grow bigger antlers on whitetails.  If that worked, there’d be lots of monsters strutting their stuff on hunting preserves/game farms all over the country.  So, if ‘juicing’ a deer doesn’t work, why would B & C or any scoring organization want to tissue test deer?  It would serve no purpose.  Besides, as already pointed out, how can one eliminate a deer from record book consideration simply because it has substances in its tissues which are not ‘natural’?  Check out the list of chemicals in your average farmer’s stock.  To believe deer cannot ingest such when they’re introduced into the environment is foolish, and to say the deer should be disqualified again from an expert (an antler replicator who has copied most of the world’s biggest racks), diagnosing a buck as pen raised isn’t all that difficult.  Most of these beasts have deep gore marks on their antlers from raking them across the fences which keep them captive.  More than one fraud has been exposed because of this interesting point.  Finally, all this talk about the deer’s appearance: what do you expect?  This is a gigantic buck which bears little resemblance to the average whitetail because it’s a WORLD RECORD!  Normal deer do not attain world record status.  Did you ever look at the world record largemouth bass?  It looks nothing like a run-of-the-mill bucketmouth (almost seems to be another species), but then again, I wouldn’t expect it to! Richard A. Wulterkens Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – antisocial pricks — www.catfishin.net I guess this genius is killing time before his Mensa club meeting. — Bob Rickard SECRET WEAPON — World’s absolute finest spinnerbaits! All others are now obsolete . . . See for yourself at http://inetsa.com/user/secretweapon used largemouth bass for bait hahaha — www.catfishin.net

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