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I don’t think you want to introduce zebra mussels to your country smallmouth bass world. A few years ago, some entered the Great Lakes on a Russian vessel. They have literally taken over the lakes. They have attached themselves on all the docks, piers, even boats. They supposedly have jammed ship engines, pipes, and sewers. I heard that they cleared up the lakes initially so that the sun could penetrate the depths, thus causing more algae. I haven’t followed this topic too fully, but the little buggers are generally considered the scourge of our area.smallmouth bass world They simply can’t be stopped. Best stay away from them. Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the smallmouth bass worldpump and burned it out. Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England? though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace.
smallmouth bass world zebras came from Europe, in ships’ bilge water. So they may be normal fauna in Britain (but don’t believe me; check first!). Of course, a domestic pond may not have whatever their normal control is. — ## The above is the output of a 7th-order Markovian analysis of all posts on ## ## this group for the past month. Not only is it not Nortel’s opinion, it’s ## ## not even *my* opinion: it’s really just a mish-mash of all YOUR opinions! ##
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace. — Ken Arnold, ICQ # 1028648 KenCo Fish & Supplies Pond and Aquarium fish, Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas, Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.
Thanks for all the info folks.Sounds as though the little z’s are best left alone! Which still leaves me with a murky pond,at the moment covered with brown scum!Have I left it too late to do a partial water change plus an autumn clean up or should I wait till the spring? Any advice welcome. Sue Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace. — Ken Arnold, ICQ # 1028648 KenCo Fish & Supplies Pond and Aquarium fish, Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas, Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.
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More info onZebra Mussels Goby fish invades Lake Ontario TORONTO, July 23 (UPI) – Canadian environmental officials are warning that round gobies, a foreign fish species that invaded the Great Lakes recently, have been spotted in Lake Ontario and could devastate sport and commercial fishing. John Mills, regional director of Environment Canada, said today it may be too late to eliminate the menace, but it should be possible to slow its spread. Like the zebra mussel, the round goby is believed to have been transported to the Great Lakes in the ballast of ships arriving from the Black Sea, where the two species abound. The good news, says federal fisheries expert Ron Dermott, is that round gobies feed heavily on zebra mussels, another aquatic menace. A single goby can consume 78 mussels a day. However, while this “may help curb the numbers of zebra mussels to some extent,” the bad news is that the goby also “menaces native fish populations by eating their eggs and offspring,” Dermott says. Dermott says the goby also aggressively competes for food, denies other fish access to spawning grounds and “will chase away fish twice its size.” The round goby is only three to six inches (7.5 cm to 15 cm) long, but it can sometimes grow to almost twice that size. It also menaces sport fishermen, “because it aggressively steals bait,” Dermott says. Although gobies are themselves preyed upon by several sport fish species, including smallmouth bass, walleye, sturgeon, yellow perch and brown trout, scientist will be meeting in Toronto next year to discuss the invasion. The Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans is hosting the conference mid February next year. Some 400 scientists from North America and around the world are expected to attend.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Oh, that’ll teach me. I said “generally” because that applies to most of us on the group (ie, in N. America), but it quite possibly doesn’t apply to you. Zebra mussels are a very small (about 1/2″ maximum, I think), striped mussel. They were introduced to the Great Lakes of Canada & the US in ballast water of ocean freighters, and have spread to many other places too. iirc, they came here from the Black Sea, but they could be endemic throughout Europe for all I know. They’re federally restricted in both countries because there are no predators to control them. They do a fantastic job at cleaning up water (they’ve been given a lot of credit for the near-pristine nature of Lake Erie these days), but at the cost of starving out everything else AND plugging up every water intake in the lake. Mussels are also generally (and this time I _really_ mean it 
) not recommended with fish. Apparently the free-floating fry of the mussel can lodge in fish gills. Probably not likely, but still not wanted. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html Hell is empty, and all the devils are here. – Shakespeare
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This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need.
Oh, that’ll teach me. I said “generally” because that applies to most of us on the group (ie, in N. America), but it quite possibly doesn’t apply to you. Zebra mussels are a very small (about 1/2″ maximum, I think), striped mussel. They were introduced to the Great Lakes of Canada & the US in ballast water of ocean freighters, and have spread to many other places too. iirc, they came here from the Black Sea, but they could be endemic throughout Europe for all I know. They’re federally restricted in both countries because there are no predators to control them. They do a fantastic job at cleaning up water (they’ve been given a lot of credit for the near-pristine nature of Lake Erie these days), but at the cost of starving out everything else AND plugging up every water intake in the lake. Mussels are also generally (and this time I _really_ mean it ) not recommended with fish. Apparently the free-floating fry of the mussel can lodge in fish gills. Probably not likely, but still not wanted. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html Hell is empty, and all the devils are here. – Shakespeare
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I wonder if this discussion of Zebra Mussels is serious. Would they really survive in a pond?
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to stack them for a water fall in direct relation to the height of the falls using 2.3ft. per each pound of pump pressure.
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How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.
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mussels in direct proportion to the height of your falls, using 2.3 ft / lb. And train them to squirt in a synchronous fashion .
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter. How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?
This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash
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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and
does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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mussels in direct proportion to the height of your falls, using 2.3 ft / lb. And train them to squirt in a synchronous fashion .
Thanks Sam. I guess the mussels are out, I just don’t have enough yard to build a pond to large enough to support the mussels needed to get the effect I want.
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OK, the recipe for a perfect self-sustaining pond: I sack Zebra Mussels 3 big clumps of bur reeds (available at your local Home Depot)
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I guess your right, THEY are the ultimate low wattage pump, pipe, and filter in one small package!
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But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter.
How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.
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ILLEGAL!!! (Or are you kidding?) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?
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They would plug up EVERYTHING, pump, piping, and filter.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?
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But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter.
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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?
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Some pond places suggest using freshwater clams to control algae and clear the water. Supposedly each clam filters 16 gallons of water per day. Does anyone have experience with clams in a pond? Dave
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Hi, no experience using clams. I have read that they need a mature pond (two years) and a sand bottom. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some pond places suggest using freshwater clams to control algae and clear the water. Supposedly each clam filters 16 gallons of water per day. Does anyone have experience with clams in a pond? Dave
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I don’t think you want to introduce zebra mussels to your country. A few years ago, some entered the Great Lakes on a Russian vessel. They have literally taken over the lakes. They have attached themselves on all the docks, piers, even boats. They supposedly have jammed ship engines, pipes, and sewers. I heard that they cleared up the lakes initially so that the sun could penetrate the depths, thus causing more algae. I haven’t followed this topic too fully, but the little buggers are generally considered the scourge of our area. They simply can’t be stopped. Best stay away from them. Lynn in Michigan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as
^^^^^^^ though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace.
Wait a minute — IIRC, zebras came from Europe, in ships’ bilge water. So they may be normal fauna in Britain (but don’t believe me; check first!). Of course, a domestic pond may not have whatever their normal control is. — ## The above is the output of a 7th-order Markovian analysis of all posts on ## ## this group for the past month. Not only is it not Nortel’s opinion, it’s ## ## not even *my* opinion: it’s really just a mish-mash of all YOUR opinions! ##
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace. — Ken Arnold, ICQ # 1028648 KenCo Fish & Supplies Pond and Aquarium fish, Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas, Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.
Thanks for all the info folks.Sounds as though the little z’s are best left alone! Which still leaves me with a murky pond,at the moment covered with brown scum!Have I left it too late to do a partial water change plus an autumn clean up or should I wait till the spring? Any advice welcome. Sue Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace. — Ken Arnold, ICQ # 1028648 KenCo Fish & Supplies Pond and Aquarium fish, Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas, Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.
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More info onZebra Mussels Goby fish invades Lake Ontario TORONTO, July 23 (UPI) – Canadian environmental officials are warning that round gobies, a foreign fish species that invaded the Great Lakes recently, have been spotted in Lake Ontario and could devastate sport and commercial fishing. John Mills, regional director of Environment Canada, said today it may be too late to eliminate the menace, but it should be possible to slow its spread. Like the zebra mussel, the round goby is believed to have been transported to the Great Lakes in the ballast of ships arriving from the Black Sea, where the two species abound. The good news, says federal fisheries expert Ron Dermott, is that round gobies feed heavily on zebra mussels, another aquatic menace. A single goby can consume 78 mussels a day. However, while this “may help curb the numbers of zebra mussels to some extent,” the bad news is that the goby also “menaces native fish populations by eating their eggs and offspring,” Dermott says. Dermott says the goby also aggressively competes for food, denies other fish access to spawning grounds and “will chase away fish twice its size.” The round goby is only three to six inches (7.5 cm to 15 cm) long, but it can sometimes grow to almost twice that size. It also menaces sport fishermen, “because it aggressively steals bait,” Dermott says. Although gobies are themselves preyed upon by several sport fish species, including smallmouth bass, walleye, sturgeon, yellow perch and brown trout, scientist will be meeting in Toronto next year to discuss the invasion. The Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans is hosting the conference mid February next year. Some 400 scientists from North America and around the world are expected to attend.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Oh, that’ll teach me. I said “generally” because that applies to most of us on the group (ie, in N. America), but it quite possibly doesn’t apply to you. Zebra mussels are a very small (about 1/2″ maximum, I think), striped mussel. They were introduced to the Great Lakes of Canada & the US in ballast water of ocean freighters, and have spread to many other places too. iirc, they came here from the Black Sea, but they could be endemic throughout Europe for all I know. They’re federally restricted in both countries because there are no predators to control them. They do a fantastic job at cleaning up water (they’ve been given a lot of credit for the near-pristine nature of Lake Erie these days), but at the cost of starving out everything else AND plugging up every water intake in the lake. Mussels are also generally (and this time I _really_ mean it ) not recommended with fish. Apparently the free-floating fry of the mussel can lodge in fish gills. Probably not likely, but still not wanted. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html Hell is empty, and all the devils are here. – Shakespeare
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This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need.
Oh, that’ll teach me. I said “generally” because that applies to most of us on the group (ie, in N. America), but it quite possibly doesn’t apply to you. Zebra mussels are a very small (about 1/2″ maximum, I think), striped mussel. They were introduced to the Great Lakes of Canada & the US in ballast water of ocean freighters, and have spread to many other places too. iirc, they came here from the Black Sea, but they could be endemic throughout Europe for all I know. They’re federally restricted in both countries because there are no predators to control them. They do a fantastic job at cleaning up water (they’ve been given a lot of credit for the near-pristine nature of Lake Erie these days), but at the cost of starving out everything else AND plugging up every water intake in the lake. Mussels are also generally (and this time I _really_ mean it ) not recommended with fish. Apparently the free-floating fry of the mussel can lodge in fish gills. Probably not likely, but still not wanted. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html Hell is empty, and all the devils are here. – Shakespeare
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I wonder if this discussion of Zebra Mussels is serious. Would they really survive in a pond?
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to stack them for a water fall in direct relation to the height of the falls using 2.3ft. per each pound of pump pressure.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter. How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.
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mussels in direct proportion to the height of your falls, using 2.3 ft / lb. And train them to squirt in a synchronous fashion .
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter. How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?
This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash
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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and
does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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mussels in direct proportion to the height of your falls, using 2.3 ft / lb. And train them to squirt in a synchronous fashion .
Thanks Sam. I guess the mussels are out, I just don’t have enough yard to build a pond to large enough to support the mussels needed to get the effect I want.
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OK, the recipe for a perfect self-sustaining pond: I sack Zebra Mussels 3 big clumps of bur reeds (available at your local Home Depot)
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I guess your right, THEY are the ultimate low wattage pump, pipe, and filter in one small package!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter.
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But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter.
How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.
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ILLEGAL!!! (Or are you kidding?) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?
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They would plug up EVERYTHING, pump, piping, and filter.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?
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But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter.
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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?
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Some pond places suggest using freshwater clams to control algae and clear the water. Supposedly each clam filters 16 gallons of water per day. Does anyone have experience with clams in a pond? Dave
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Hi, no experience using clams. I have read that they need a mature pond (two years) and a sand bottom. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some pond places suggest using freshwater clams to control algae and clear the water. Supposedly each clam filters 16 gallons of water per day. Does anyone have experience with clams in a pond? Dave
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