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Does a bell go off in your head every day that says “Gee, it’s time for me to make my daily pathetic post of drivel to ROFB”? river smallmouth bass fishing club it will be cold but dry. likely 8 c and i will be fishing. a personal quest to extend the season as long as possible. last time a L.M. rewarded by relentlessly hitting the lure. theory is that the fish take on a predator outlook. pike/muskie are famous in that way. L.M. seem to be the same now. they wait for a presentation to trigger their ambush.river smallmouth bass fishing club For Charles and Steve bass season is closed Nov 15 and for others Nov 30 and others ?. for this lake legally closed tomorrow. pike/brown trout still open. like last time it will be to difficult to differentiate. all i know is it should be good and there will be several outings over the next few. anybody else squeezing in a few before ice over. there is a few on ice as well to uncap.

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i caught 2 nice fish today.river smallmouth bass fishing club i followed the theory that the fish are quite sedantary and waiting to ambush their prey. consequently i moved around quite a bit to fish and it paid off. the second fish caught was interesting. on the retrieve i could see it hit and miss the lure. on the next cast the same fish hit the lure again and i partially hooked it. the  lure shot back towards me. figured that the fish would be long gone after tasting the hook. nope, next cast i again saw the dorsal yellow colour of the rapala disappear and i caught and released the fish. the water was quite clear and i could see all hits on the lure for the 2 fish.river smallmouth bass fishing club i’m psyched and ready to go tommorrow.   Al

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went fishing 5 times in the last 2.5 days. had 1 bass rise on the early part of the retrieve of my rapala. caught a couple jack. Al

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it will be cold but dry. likely 8 c and i will be fishing. a personal quest to extend the season as long as possible. last time a L.M. rewarded by relentlessly hitting the lure. theory is that the fish take on a predator outlook. pike/muskie are famous in that way. L.M. seem to be the same now. they wait for a presentation to trigger their ambush. For Charles and Steve bass season is closed Nov 15 and for others Nov 30 and others ?. for this lake legally closed tomorrow. pike/brown trout still open. like last time it will be to difficult to differentiate. all i know is it should be good and there will be several outings over the next few. anybody else squeezing in a few before ice over. there is a few on ice as well to uncap. Al

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Warren, Read what I wrote again.  Find the BEST cover in the body of water.  It might have cover all over it, but find where the best is.  What’s best you ask?  Usually it will show itself, things like grass with a ditch running through  it, or  a place where it’s 12′ and everything else is growing only 10′. Find whatever is different that might gravitate the fish to it.  Bass are predators, and just like a pack of lions, they tend to hover around edges, places they can ambush from, or back off into. If I were looking at what you had, I’d first try and find the deepest place the grass is growing, and then look for the thickest. Pat

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, Pat, let’s go to the other extreme.  The small lake I’ve been fishing is nothing but cover.  Weeds from the shoreline to other shoreline, top to the bottom.  A few areas of slightly open water, clear from the top maybe down to 8 or 9 feet (40′ deep).  Where are they? Warren1 It’s simple, really. Rule #1 when trying to locate bass.  Look for the best cover in the body of water you’re fishing.  Get right in the middle of it. Here endith the lesson. Pat over N.A…then..maybe you could pass on some of the info needed to catch the critters. Craig is leaving..there is an opening. What-ya-say..buddy Al At first, fishing  was just a hobby,              then it became an obsession….and a reel life.

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OK, Pat, let’s go to the other extreme.  The small lake I’ve been fishing is nothing but cover.  Weeds from the shoreline to other shoreline, top to the bottom.  A few areas of slightly open water, clear from the top maybe down to 8 or 9 feet (40′ deep).  Where are they? Warren1

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s simple, really. Rule #1 when trying to locate bass.  Look for the best cover in the body of water you’re fishing.  Get right in the middle of it. Here endith the lesson. Pat N.A…then..maybe you could pass on some of the info needed to catch the critters. Craig is leaving..there is an opening. What-ya-say..buddy Al At first, fishing  was just a hobby,              then it became an obsession….and a reel life.

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Jig & Pig, 5/8oz. Glow in the dark white, so that it can bust through that mess and be seen. Add a rattle also. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, Pat, let’s go to the other extreme.  The small lake I’ve been fishing is nothing but cover.  Weeds from the shoreline to other shoreline, top to the bottom.  A few areas of slightly open water, clear from the top maybe down to 8 or 9 feet (40′ deep).  Where are they? Warren1 It’s simple, really. Rule #1 when trying to locate bass.  Look for the best cover in the body of water you’re fishing.  Get right in the middle of it. Here endith the lesson. Pat N.A…then..maybe you could pass on some of the info needed to catch the critters. Craig is leaving..there is an opening. What-ya-say..buddy Al At first, fishing  was just a hobby,              then it became an obsession….and a reel life.

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Pat N.A…then..maybe you could pass on some of the info needed to catch the critters. Craig is leaving..there is an opening. What-ya-say..buddy Al At first, fishing  was just a hobby,              then it became an obsession….and a reel life.

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It’s simple, really. Rule #1 when trying to locate bass.  Look for the best cover in the body of water you’re fishing.  Get right in the middle of it. Here endith the lesson.

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pat N.A…then..maybe you could pass on some of the info needed to catch the critters. Craig is leaving..there is an opening. What-ya-say..buddy Al At first, fishing  was just a hobby,              then it became an obsession….and a reel life.

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That’s seems contradictory to what we’ve read on this NG in the past, we all know  there’s no fish in the weeds.;-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s simple, really. Rule #1 when trying to locate bass.  Look for the best cover in the body of water you’re fishing.  Get right in the middle of it. Here endith the lesson. Pat N.A…then..maybe you could pass on some of the info needed to catch the critters. Craig is leaving..there is an opening. What-ya-say..buddy Al At first, fishing  was just a hobby,              then it became an obsession….and a reel life.

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You guys should not pick on Al. I kinda feel sorry for him. I know what it’s like. I just hope his mind is like a sponge to soak up all this info from the group.

I know you’re new to the group, welcome.  Stick around awhile, and you’ll soon realize how rediculous the above statement is. Warren2

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Illinois Fisherman: <snipped for brevity You guys should not pick on Al. I kinda feel sorry for him. I know what it’s like. I just hope his mind is like a sponge to soak up all this info from the group.

Thank you for the advice Your right the guys and gal in this group do pick on me.  I have tried the powerbait worms and it did produce some nice smallmouth bass in the summer.. Where i fish for smallmouth is a small bay of the lake. The variables i keep track of are date, time of day,cloud cover and presence of baitfish. I may vary my presentation with bottom hugging spinners/spoons/jig with grub trailer. I have access to pike/steelhead/monster carp/salmon/lake trout..smallmouth bass have been fun.. I only wish the guys and gal would stop picking on me.The vulgarity is sometimes too much…too bear. Thanks Al At first, fishing  was just a hobby,

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It looks a little dreary and miserable out and i was planning on going fishing. I haven’t checked the probs but i hope it clears up. I have two different plans which i don’t want to elaborate on..any further. I will use rapala/spoons..possibly/jig..and grub/spinners. The one plan involves the lake. Lately i haven’t seen anybody on the lake bass fishing. If i did there would be a reassurance that bass are hitting. The other plan..there is people fishing but they are rank amateurs..rank as in stink. The first plan is more dependent on the weather since there is a travel requirement. The other plan there is no substantial travel requirement. It is always a difficult decision. The weather predicted seems almost like what was at the NWC..and that worries me…i’ll leave that alone. Typical fall weather and more pronounced here than down south. I will follow one of the two plans and report back to the group. Thanks for letting me sort this out here. Al Have fishing rod…will travel…. Just an  angler

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There’s a really hot pond in Afganistan Al, and I hear the weather’s beautiful there in the fall. Warren2

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It looks a little dreary and miserable out and i was planning on going fishing. I haven’t checked the probs but i hope it clears up. I have two different plans which i don’t want to elaborate on..any further. I will use rapala/spoons..possibly/jig..and grub/spinners. The one plan involves the lake. Lately i haven’t seen anybody on the lake bass fishing. If i did there would be a reassurance that bass are hitting. The other plan..there is people fishing but they are rank amateurs..rank as in stink. The first plan is more dependent on the weather since there is a travel requirement. The other plan there is no substantial travel requirement. It is always a difficult decision. The weather predicted seems almost like what was at the NWC..and that worries me…i’ll leave that alone. Typical fall weather and more pronounced here than down south. I will follow one of the two plans and report back to the group. Thanks for letting me sort this out here. Al Have fishing rod…will travel…. Just an  angler

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You guys should not pick on Al. I kinda feel sorry for him. I know what it’s like. I just hope his mind is like a sponge to soak up all this info from the group. Al, you should keep a log of all your fishing trips. Include weather conditions – temperature of the air and water, wind speed, cloud coverage, Moon phase info, Barometer readings locations fished, lures used. What you caught with what lures, what location you where at on the body of water, etc. etc. After a couple of years you will know exactly where to go and what to use for any conditions you encounter. Look at it this way. He does not know enough to take a couple of Carolina or Texas rigs with him. Attention Al—- I know you are in love with your Rapala’s. But try a couple of 6 or 7 inch purple or grape colored plastic worms in you lake. Use a 3/0 to 5/0 hook and 1/2 to 1oz bullet weights just ahead of the hook. Go for it, try everything you can. Throw everything in your tackle box – Make at least 20 cast with every lure you have. If that does not work make your own spinners in various sizes and configurations. I have spinners that I have made that are absolutely ugly but they produce when nothing else will. I like to fish multi-species – Walleye, Pike, Musky, Catfish, and even when nothing else will bite I will go after that muscular (put up a hell of a tug-of-war) Carp. Man, a twenty five pounder will give you a great 15 or 20 minute fight like hauling a log out of the water that can swim at a very fast rate. Mostly I practice catch, get a picture, and release. The pound and a half to two pound Walleye in the Little Bay de Noc are the only ones I will fillet. I go there two times a year to stock up. The world of fishing is not limited to Bass. Bass are by far the most popular and an exciting fish to have on your line. But if you ask most of the persons on the group I am sure you will find that they will fish for whatever bites that day. I have fished Rapala’s for Bass and got Walleye, Catfish and Pike instead. It’s OK with me I enjoy the moment. Just a thought.

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a really hot pond in Afganistan Al, and I hear the weather’s beautiful there in the fall. Warren2 It looks a little dreary and miserable out and i was planning on going fishing. I haven’t checked the probs but i hope it clears up. I have two different plans which i don’t want to elaborate on..any further. I will use rapala/spoons..possibly/jig..and grub/spinners. The one plan involves the lake. Lately i haven’t seen anybody on the lake bass fishing. If i did there would be a reassurance that bass are hitting. The other plan..there is people fishing but they are rank amateurs..rank as in stink. The first plan is more dependent on the weather since there is a travel requirement. The other plan there is no substantial travel requirement. It is always a difficult decision. The weather predicted seems almost like what was at the NWC..and that worries me…i’ll leave that alone. Typical fall weather and more pronounced here than down south. I will follow one of the two plans and report back to the group. Thanks for letting me sort this out here. Al Have fishing rod…will travel…. Just an  angler

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” I only wish the guys and gal would stop picking on me.The vulgarity is sometimes too much…too bear. Thanks Al I think it’s way too much also.  I think it’s time you just threw in the towel and just…..quit.  No one should bear so much agony, it’s disgraceful, really.  We should all be ashamed, really.  It’s just pitiful, really.

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I only wish the guys and gal would stop picking on me.The vulgarity is sometimes too much…too bear. Thanks Al

You dish out just as much as you get, don’t start playing poor Al, it doesn’t fly.

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You loadin that new blue-beauty up yet buddy?wyoming smallmouth bass fishing  I think a full report on the maiden voyage is in order…

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You loadin that new blue-beauty up yet buddy? wyoming smallmouth bass fishing  I think a full report on the maiden voyage is in order…

I’ve posted earlier but I’m more than happy to repeat the news.  This new boat fishes just as nice as she looks.wyoming smallmouth bass fishing  I can’t get over how much room I have now.  Everything that I had in the Tuffy is now in the ProCraft and….there’s nothing on the decks but what I’m using!!!  On it’s maiden fishing voyage on Tuesday, my partner Gil and I took it to a lake that has largemouth, pike and muskies.  Throwing spinnerbaits into heavy cabbage weeds, I caught a 28″ northern pike, a 30″ muskie and a 36″ muskie.  Gil caught 3 northern pike in the 26 – 30″ class.wyoming smallmouth bass fishing  But we couldn’t get the bass to go. Today was another story.  Severe cold front conditions, my son Jim, Gil and I went out for a short time before my son had to leave for work.  It’s great having a boat this stable and roomy, Gil and I were fishing from the front deck, my son off the back deck and not once did we get in each other’s way. We caught some northerns and Jim lost a muskie.  After lunch, Gil and I ended up catching so many smallmouth bass and northern pike that we lost count!!  The smallies were running a little small by this area’s standards but they were nice ones.  The largest was 18″, the smallest was a 10 incher that ended up being muskie bait!! A 41 inch, 25 pound + monster grabbed it and got hooked himself in the process.  It was a fun battle, watching Gil tap-dance his way around the boat, fighting this fish with a light action bass rod. wyoming smallmouth bass fishing It led him around the boat 4 times, one jumping and slapping his tail on the side of the boat so loudly that I looked it over for damage (the boat, not the fish).  When I finally handlanded it (the net was waaay too small), and got it inside the boat, I guess the muskie didn’t like my ProCraft as much as I do, there’s blood, scales and muskie snot all over the interior!  I’ve got some cleaning to do tomorrow. Gil and I fished until 5:30 before calling it a day.  We had an absolute ball, my hands are swollen and scored from landing so many fish.  I couldn’t believe it and believe me, we’ve had some pretty darn good days fishing up here in God’s Country. All in all,wyoming smallmouth bass fishing I like the boat and can’t wait to get it up on Lake Superior for some of those 5 lb + smallies.  I think if I listen carefully, I can hear –

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Sounds like awesome fun Steve, THANKS!  I probably wouldn’t mind writing thoseadventures 2x myslf! Warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You loadin that new blue-beauty up yet buddy?  I think a full report on the maiden voyage is in order… Warren I’ve posted earlier but I’m more than happy to repeat the news.  This new boat fishes just as nice as she looks.  I can’t get over how much room I have now.  Everything that I had in the Tuffy is now in the ProCraft and….there’s nothing on the decks but what I’m using!!!  On it’s maiden fishing voyage on Tuesday, my partner Gil and I took it to a lake that has largemouth, pike and muskies.  Throwing spinnerbaits into heavy cabbage weeds, I caught a 28″ northern pike, a 30″ muskie and a 36″ muskie.  Gil caught 3 northern pike in the 26 – 30″ class.  But we couldn’t get the bass to go. Today was another story.  Severe cold front conditions, my son Jim, Gil and I went out for a short time before my son had to leave for work.  It’s great having a boat this stable and roomy, Gil and I were fishing from the front deck, my son off the back deck and not once did we get in each other’s way. We caught some northerns and Jim lost a muskie.  After lunch, Gil and I ended up catching so many smallmouth bass and northern pike that we lost count!!  The smallies were running a little small by this area’s standards but they were nice ones.  The largest was 18″, the smallest was a 10 incher that ended up being muskie bait!! A 41 inch, 25 pound + monster grabbed it and got hooked himself in the process.  It was a fun battle, watching Gil tap-dance his way around the boat, fighting this fish with a light action bass rod.  It led him around the boat 4 times, one jumping and slapping his tail on the side of the boat so loudly that I looked it over for damage (the boat, not the fish).  When I finally handlanded it (the net was waaay too small), and got it inside the boat, I guess the muskie didn’t like my ProCraft as much as I do, there’s blood, scales and muskie snot all over the interior!  I’ve got some cleaning to do tomorrow. Gil and I fished until 5:30 before calling it a day.  We had an absolute ball, my hands are swollen and scored from landing so many fish.  I couldn’t believe it and believe me, we’ve had some pretty darn good days fishing up here in God’s Country. All in all, I like the boat and can’t wait to get it up on Lake Superior for some of those 5 lb + smallies.  I think if I listen carefully, I can hear –

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I don’t think you want to introduce zebra mussels to your country smallmouth bass world.  A few years ago, some entered the Great Lakes on a Russian vessel.  They have literally taken over the lakes.  They have attached themselves on all the docks, piers, even boats.  They supposedly have jammed ship engines, pipes, and sewers. I heard that they cleared up the lakes initially so that the sun could penetrate the depths, thus causing more algae.  I haven’t followed this topic too fully, but the little buggers are generally considered the scourge of our area.smallmouth bass world  They simply can’t be stopped.  Best stay away from them.   Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the smallmouth bass worldpump and burned it out.   Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?  though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace.

smallmouth bass world zebras came from Europe, in ships’ bilge water. So they may be normal fauna in Britain (but don’t believe me; check first!).  Of course, a domestic pond may not have whatever their normal control is. — ## The above is the output of a 7th-order Markovian analysis of all posts on ## ## this group for the past month.  Not only is it not Nortel’s opinion, it’s ## ## not even *my* opinion: it’s really just a mish-mash of all YOUR opinions! ##

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace. —  Ken Arnold,  ICQ # 1028648  KenCo Fish & Supplies  Pond and Aquarium fish,  Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty  Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas,  Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.

Thanks for all the info folks.Sounds as though the little z’s are best left alone! Which still leaves me with a murky pond,at the moment covered with brown scum!Have I left it too late to do a partial water change plus an autumn clean up or should I wait till the spring? Any advice welcome. Sue Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace. —  Ken Arnold,  ICQ # 1028648  KenCo Fish & Supplies  Pond and Aquarium fish,  Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty    Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas,  Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.

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More info onZebra Mussels Goby fish invades Lake Ontario TORONTO, July 23 (UPI) – Canadian environmental officials are warning that round gobies, a foreign fish species that invaded the Great Lakes recently, have been spotted in Lake Ontario and could devastate sport and commercial fishing. John Mills, regional director of Environment Canada, said today it may be too late to eliminate the menace, but it should be possible to slow its spread. Like the zebra mussel, the round goby is believed to have been transported to the Great Lakes in the ballast of ships arriving from the Black Sea, where the two species abound. The good news, says federal fisheries expert Ron Dermott, is that round gobies feed heavily on zebra mussels, another aquatic menace. A single goby can consume 78 mussels a day. However, while this “may help curb the numbers of zebra mussels to some extent,” the bad news is that the goby also “menaces native fish populations by eating their eggs and offspring,” Dermott says. Dermott says the goby also aggressively competes for food, denies other fish access to spawning grounds and “will chase away fish twice its size.” The round goby is only three to six inches (7.5 cm to 15 cm) long, but it can sometimes grow to almost twice that size. It also menaces sport fishermen, “because it aggressively steals bait,” Dermott says. Although gobies are themselves preyed upon by several sport fish species, including smallmouth bass, walleye, sturgeon, yellow perch and brown trout, scientist will be meeting in Toronto next year to discuss the invasion. The Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans is hosting the conference mid February next year. Some 400 scientists from North America and around the world are expected to attend.

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Oh, that’ll teach me.  I said “generally” because that applies to most of us on the group (ie, in N. America), but it quite possibly doesn’t apply to you.  Zebra mussels are a very small (about 1/2″ maximum, I think), striped mussel. They were introduced to the Great Lakes of Canada & the US in ballast water of ocean freighters, and have spread to many other places too. iirc, they came here from the Black Sea, but they could be endemic throughout Europe for all I know. They’re federally restricted in both countries because there are no predators to control them.  They do a fantastic job at cleaning up water (they’ve been given a lot of credit for the near-pristine nature of Lake Erie these days), but at the cost of starving out everything else AND plugging up every water intake in the lake. Mussels are also generally (and this time I _really_ mean it ) not recommended with fish.  Apparently the free-floating fry of the mussel can lodge in fish gills.  Probably not likely, but still not wanted. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html Hell is empty, and all the devils are here. – Shakespeare

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This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need.

Oh, that’ll teach me.  I said “generally” because that applies to most of us on the group (ie, in N. America), but it quite possibly doesn’t apply to you.  Zebra mussels are a very small (about 1/2″ maximum, I think), striped mussel. They were introduced to the Great Lakes of Canada & the US in ballast water of ocean freighters, and have spread to many other places too. iirc, they came here from the Black Sea, but they could be endemic throughout Europe for all I know. They’re federally restricted in both countries because there are no predators to control them.  They do a fantastic job at cleaning up water (they’ve been given a lot of credit for the near-pristine nature of Lake Erie these days), but at the cost of starving out everything else AND plugging up every water intake in the lake. Mussels are also generally (and this time I _really_ mean it ) not recommended with fish.  Apparently the free-floating fry of the mussel can lodge in fish gills.  Probably not likely, but still not wanted. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html Hell is empty, and all the devils are here. – Shakespeare

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I wonder if this discussion of Zebra Mussels is serious.  Would they really survive in a pond?

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to stack them for a water fall in direct relation to the height of the falls using 2.3ft. per each pound of pump pressure.

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mussels in direct proportion to the height of your falls, using 2.3 ft / lb. And train them to squirt in a synchronous fashion .

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter. How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?

This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash

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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and

does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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mussels in direct proportion to the height of your falls, using 2.3 ft / lb. And train them to squirt in a synchronous fashion .

Thanks Sam. I guess the mussels are out, I just don’t have enough yard to build a pond to large enough to support the mussels needed to get the effect I want.

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OK, the recipe for a perfect self-sustaining pond: I sack Zebra Mussels 3 big clumps of bur reeds (available at your local Home Depot)

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I guess your right, THEY are the ultimate low wattage pump, pipe, and filter in one small package!

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But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter.

How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.

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ILLEGAL!!!  (Or are you kidding?) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?

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They would plug up EVERYTHING, pump, piping, and filter.

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But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter.

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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?

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Some pond places suggest using freshwater clams to control algae and clear the water.  Supposedly each clam filters 16 gallons of water per day.  Does anyone have experience with clams in a pond? Dave

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Hi, no experience using clams.  I have read that they need a mature pond (two years) and a sand bottom. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some pond places suggest using freshwater clams to control algae and clear the water.  Supposedly each clam filters 16 gallons of water per day.  Does anyone have experience with clams in a pond? Dave

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I don’t think you want to introduce zebra mussels to your country.  A few years ago, some entered the Great Lakes on a Russian vessel.  They have literally taken over the lakes.  They have attached themselves on all the docks, piers, even boats.  They supposedly have jammed ship engines, pipes, and sewers. I heard that they cleared up the lakes initially so that the sun could penetrate the depths, thus causing more algae.  I haven’t followed this topic too fully, but the little buggers are generally considered the scourge of our area.  They simply can’t be stopped.  Best stay away from them. Lynn in Michigan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as

^^^^^^^ though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace.

Wait a minute — IIRC, zebras came from Europe, in ships’ bilge water. So they may be normal fauna in Britain (but don’t believe me; check first!).  Of course, a domestic pond may not have whatever their normal control is. — ## The above is the output of a 7th-order Markovian analysis of all posts on ## ## this group for the past month.  Not only is it not Nortel’s opinion, it’s ## ## not even *my* opinion: it’s really just a mish-mash of all YOUR opinions! ##

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace. —  Ken Arnold,  ICQ # 1028648  KenCo Fish & Supplies  Pond and Aquarium fish,  Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty  Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas,  Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.

Thanks for all the info folks.Sounds as though the little z’s are best left alone! Which still leaves me with a murky pond,at the moment covered with brown scum!Have I left it too late to do a partial water change plus an autumn clean up or should I wait till the spring? Any advice welcome. Sue Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

they would probably reinstitute being “Drawn and Quartered” if you did ;p they are too proliferic and clog up every water pipe/attach to anything etc. they are a real eco. menace. —  Ken Arnold,  ICQ # 1028648  KenCo Fish & Supplies  Pond and Aquarium fish,  Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty    Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas,  Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.

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More info onZebra Mussels Goby fish invades Lake Ontario TORONTO, July 23 (UPI) – Canadian environmental officials are warning that round gobies, a foreign fish species that invaded the Great Lakes recently, have been spotted in Lake Ontario and could devastate sport and commercial fishing. John Mills, regional director of Environment Canada, said today it may be too late to eliminate the menace, but it should be possible to slow its spread. Like the zebra mussel, the round goby is believed to have been transported to the Great Lakes in the ballast of ships arriving from the Black Sea, where the two species abound. The good news, says federal fisheries expert Ron Dermott, is that round gobies feed heavily on zebra mussels, another aquatic menace. A single goby can consume 78 mussels a day. However, while this “may help curb the numbers of zebra mussels to some extent,” the bad news is that the goby also “menaces native fish populations by eating their eggs and offspring,” Dermott says. Dermott says the goby also aggressively competes for food, denies other fish access to spawning grounds and “will chase away fish twice its size.” The round goby is only three to six inches (7.5 cm to 15 cm) long, but it can sometimes grow to almost twice that size. It also menaces sport fishermen, “because it aggressively steals bait,” Dermott says. Although gobies are themselves preyed upon by several sport fish species, including smallmouth bass, walleye, sturgeon, yellow perch and brown trout, scientist will be meeting in Toronto next year to discuss the invasion. The Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans is hosting the conference mid February next year. Some 400 scientists from North America and around the world are expected to attend.

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Oh, that’ll teach me.  I said “generally” because that applies to most of us on the group (ie, in N. America), but it quite possibly doesn’t apply to you.  Zebra mussels are a very small (about 1/2″ maximum, I think), striped mussel. They were introduced to the Great Lakes of Canada & the US in ballast water of ocean freighters, and have spread to many other places too. iirc, they came here from the Black Sea, but they could be endemic throughout Europe for all I know. They’re federally restricted in both countries because there are no predators to control them.  They do a fantastic job at cleaning up water (they’ve been given a lot of credit for the near-pristine nature of Lake Erie these days), but at the cost of starving out everything else AND plugging up every water intake in the lake. Mussels are also generally (and this time I _really_ mean it ) not recommended with fish.  Apparently the free-floating fry of the mussel can lodge in fish gills.  Probably not likely, but still not wanted. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html Hell is empty, and all the devils are here. – Shakespeare

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This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need.

Oh, that’ll teach me.  I said “generally” because that applies to most of us on the group (ie, in N. America), but it quite possibly doesn’t apply to you.  Zebra mussels are a very small (about 1/2″ maximum, I think), striped mussel. They were introduced to the Great Lakes of Canada & the US in ballast water of ocean freighters, and have spread to many other places too. iirc, they came here from the Black Sea, but they could be endemic throughout Europe for all I know. They’re federally restricted in both countries because there are no predators to control them.  They do a fantastic job at cleaning up water (they’ve been given a lot of credit for the near-pristine nature of Lake Erie these days), but at the cost of starving out everything else AND plugging up every water intake in the lake. Mussels are also generally (and this time I _really_ mean it ) not recommended with fish.  Apparently the free-floating fry of the mussel can lodge in fish gills.  Probably not likely, but still not wanted. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html Hell is empty, and all the devils are here. – Shakespeare

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I wonder if this discussion of Zebra Mussels is serious.  Would they really survive in a pond?

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to stack them for a water fall in direct relation to the height of the falls using 2.3ft. per each pound of pump pressure.

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mussels in direct proportion to the height of your falls, using 2.3 ft / lb. And train them to squirt in a synchronous fashion .

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter. How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?

This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash

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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels? This comes up often enough that we need a ‘bot to respond to it. Generally, it’s illegal to even own a Zebra mussel, though it would probably clean your pond quite nicely–until they plugged up the pump and burned it out. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html A door is what a cat is perpetually on the wrong side of – adapted from Ogden Nash Why is it illegal to own zebra mussels? What exactly are they and

does any one know if they can be bought in England?They sound as though they are exactly what I need. Thanks,Sue. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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mussels in direct proportion to the height of your falls, using 2.3 ft / lb. And train them to squirt in a synchronous fashion .

Thanks Sam. I guess the mussels are out, I just don’t have enough yard to build a pond to large enough to support the mussels needed to get the effect I want.

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OK, the recipe for a perfect self-sustaining pond: I sack Zebra Mussels 3 big clumps of bur reeds (available at your local Home Depot)

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I guess your right, THEY are the ultimate low wattage pump, pipe, and filter in one small package!

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But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter.

How would I calculate the number of Zebra Mussles needed to opperate my waterfalls properly.

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ILLEGAL!!!  (Or are you kidding?) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?

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They would plug up EVERYTHING, pump, piping, and filter.

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But they would keep the water so clean that there would be no need for pump, piping, and filter.

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Come to think of it, how about Zebre Mussels?

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Some pond places suggest using freshwater clams to control algae and clear the water.  Supposedly each clam filters 16 gallons of water per day.  Does anyone have experience with clams in a pond? Dave

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Hi, no experience using clams.  I have read that they need a mature pond (two years) and a sand bottom. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some pond places suggest using freshwater clams to control algae and clear the water.  Supposedly each clam filters 16 gallons of water per day.  Does anyone have experience with clams in a pond? Dave

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Has anyone had experience sinking Christmas trees for world smallmouth bass creating structure for bass or crappie?

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Has anyone had experience sinking Christmas trees for creating structure for bass or crappie?

A few years ago the Wisconsin DNR sank several Pine trees in a local lake that had been cleared to make a new camping area. From all that i saw fishing this lake after they did that the fishing improved and the Bass,world smallmouth bass Crappie, and Gills seemed to love this new structure. Midwest Outdoor several years ago ran an article on sinking Xmas trees for structure saying it was very effective.world smallmouth bass- Unauthorized users of my Email box WILL be billed accordingly for the usage.

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Has anyone had experience sinking Christmas trees for creating structure for bass or crappie? Prost! Gene A few years ago the Wisconsin DNR sank several Pine trees in a local lake that had been cleared to make a new camping area. From all that i saw fishing this lake after they did that the fishing improved and the Bass, Crappie, and Gills seemed to love this new structure. Midwest Outdoor several years ago ran an article on sinking Xmas trees for structure saying it was very effective. world smallmouth bass– Unauthorized users of my Email box WILL be billed accordingly for the usage.

It depends on the area and water temperature of the lake.  Here in South Florida pine trees deteriorate and disappear within 6 months so they don’t do much good.  I dropped a few into our lake for habitat improvement and could spot them on the fishfinder for a few months, then they just disappeared.  Florida Game and Freshwater Fish Commission confirms this advice.world smallmouth bass  Now we use hardwoods, such as sections of citrus or black olive.

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Has anyone had experience sinking Christmas trees for creating structure for bass or crappie?  Yeah, nothing better. Tie a gang of them together wirth some bricks to

hold them aand come back next year. You will c lean up if you havent told every body where you did it.          Al

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Has anyone had experience sinking Christmas trees for creating structure for bass or crappie?

Christmas trees work better for protecting small baitfish and gamefish fry but for fishing structure, something like a willow tree will do better. You wont hang up near as much. And with the limbs being farther apart, it allows the crappie and bass room to get in there to hide. http://members.aol.com/swaters1/index.html

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for fishing structure, something like a willow tree will do better. You wont hang up near as much. And with the limbs being farther apart, it allows the crappie and bass room to get in there to hide.

Here’s a better idea and one that lasts much, much longer. Find a roll of the plastic snow fence material (sometimes you can get this used from a contractor), cut about ten feet and staple it in a circle, insert an X made of 2×2 or 2×4s to keep it’s shape, using poly rope install a plastic bleach bottle for the right flotation to keep it upright and bricks or building block for anchor. The poly rope length can be used to suspend the height of the “crappie condo”. This baby will last for several years. There’s a lot less hangups also.

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Gene, a friend of mine has.  He says that he has had great results.  He did it specifically for crappie or “sac a lait”.  The trick is remembering where you sunk the trees.  If you need any more info, post and I’ll get back to you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had experience sinking Christmas trees for creating structure for bass or crappie? Prost! Gene

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Gene, a friend of mine has.  He says that he has had great results.  He did it specifically for crappie or “sac a lait”.  The trick is remembering where you sunk the trees.  If you need any more info, post and I’ll get back to you. Has anyone had experience sinking Christmas trees for creating structure for bass or crappie? Prost! Gene

Our local DNR doesn’t encourage this practice.  They define it as building a “fish attractant” rather than “habitat”.  In our lake we sink fish “cribs”–3-6 inch diameter oak logs 8 ft long held together with rebar in roughly the shape of a 6 ft cube.  These are then filled with X’mas trees/brush, closed off at the top and sunk in 14-18 ft of water. Last winter we sank 39 in about 1 square block of water.  (There are hundreds more in our lake.)  Reports are that they have attracted all species of fish in our lake from crappies to walleyes to smallmouth bass to muskys as well as most of the forage fish species.  We are going to do it again this February. Bill in Tony, WI

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Yes, We tie them together and sink them with cinder blocks.  The bass stack up on them.  They do not last as long as harder wood does, so you can change locations every year and your own private hot spots. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had experience sinking Christmas trees for creating structure for bass or crappie? Prost! Gene

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Christmas trees arent the best type of cover due to clost limbs, it tends to protect the bait too much for bass anyway. The farther the limbs are spread the better, to an extent.  I would suggest not putting them on points, they are too easily found.  I like to put mine on a good channel ledge in a creek or river. The best ones on clear lakes is from 12-15 foot with a drop into deeper water immediately adjacent.

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Find a roll of the plastic snow fence material (sometimes you can get this used from a contractor), cut about ten feet and staple it in a circle, insert an X made of 2×2 or 2×4s to keep it’s shape, using poly rope install a plastic bleach bottle for the right flotation to keep it upright and bricks or building block for anchor. The poly rope length can be used to suspend the height of the “crappie condo”. This baby will last for several years. There’s a lot less hangups also.

Here Bud!!…why don’t you just throw off some tires, sink and old car or fridg. Better yet I’d like to see you take your boat out and chop some holes in it…now that would make some excellent structure!!…and keep you from trashing up the lake.

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Christmas trees arent the best type of cover due to close limbs, it tends to protect the bait too much for bass anyway. The farther the limbs are spread the better, to an extent.  I would suggest not putting them on points, they are too easily found.  I like to put mine on a good channel ledge in a creek or river.  The best ones on clear lakes is from 12-15 foot with a drop into deeper water immediately adjacent.

I would agree with most of what you stated, except the depth you recommend. Bass Pro Shops weekly radio program had a talk on this earlier in the year and they stated that the best depth for this type of attractant is water no more than 10 feet deep and that it’s best to have the tree top out at about 2-3 feet below the waters surface. This will bring in the crappies like crazy… I have tried it and it works well. The tree will only work well for about 6-8 months and will not attract good numbers of fish for about a month after it is placed. Weighting it down with cement blocks is a must.

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My son and I are talking about doing a fly-in trip to Canada next year and we all know that Moe’s the one for Florida (which I hope to occur in February) but I need some suggestions for this one. No spam please, and only answer if you have first hand knowledge of someone. There’s magazines full of ads, but I’d rather check out one that’s been used by someone from this NG.

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My son and I are talking about doing a fly-in trip to Canada next year and we all know that Moe’s the one for Florida (which I hope to occur in February) but I need some suggestions for this one. No spam please, and only answer if you have first hand knowledge of someone. There’s magazines full of ads, but I’d rather check out one that’s been used by someone from this NG.

Go to http://www.lake-link.com and look for Mousseau’s Island Lodge.  It’s not a fly in, it’s a boat in but I really couldn’t tell the difference.  The fishing was fantastic, we caught dozens of lake trout daily, all the walleyes we wanted and some really big northern pike.  The accomodations are rustic yet have all the comforts of home and Art & Rita, the owners are really nice people.  Rita is a fantastic cook too. I don’t have any stake in this other than I was there in September/October and I had the time of my life. –

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I was headed home from Austin yesterday and stopped to fish a little. I tripped across a small honey hole of a river pool full of fish. It’s no more than ~30×50 yds., clear water, fast current in one area, solid smooth rock surrounding it. Absolutely no brush or weeds in or around the water. Depth varies from a couple of feet to unknown. Appears there are a couple of deep holes. Several underwater rock drop offs and overhangs.smallmouth bass fly fishing I first threw a little yellow grasshopper floater/diver in the current and caught a small guadalupe bass on the third cast. Caught 3 more on the next 3 casts. I could see what I think are many channel cats on the bottom. A couple looked to be about the size of my leg. Anyway, I caught about 8 bass in the first 30 minutes or so and then they just quit. I threw out just about everything in the tackle box and got only a single bump on a plastic worm. Just before I was going to leave, I went to the downstream side of the pool. It was a sheer drop off into the water. At about 8 ft. I was stunned to see a couple of dozen various bass holding. They would not even look at anything I put in the water. I ran everything I had by them, even literally hanging plastic worms in front of their faces and they just turned away. Can somebody please explain this? Were they just not hungry? Was it that the water was so clear that they wouldn’t look at anything that wasn’t natural bait? It was about 4:30 in the afternoon (about 1 1/2 hrs. before dark). I have a 13 yr.smallmouth bass fly fishing  old girl who just got interested in fishing and she needs to catch some fish. This seems like an excellent chance for it.

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Sounds to me like you found their hang out . I’d imagine that their ” refrigerator ” was over by the current . I suggest using that current to ” float ” things to them .smallmouth bass fly fishing You could possibly find a lure that draws a reaction strike , but your more likely to have success with the natural approach , using the current . I recently read an article about using bobbers and artificial lures for bass . I’m not much on bobbers but I do think this might be a great way to present a lure when there’s a fairly strong current to deal with . In other words , I can see it working . Using a presentation that ” goes with the flow ” has been good to me .

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Sounds to me like you found their hang out . I’d imagine that their ” refrigerator ” was over by the current . I suggest using that current to ” float ” things to them . You could possibly find a lure that draws a reaction strike , but your more likely to have success with the natural approach , using the current . I recently read an article about using bobbers and artificial lures for bass . I’m not much on bobbers but I do think this might be a great way to present a lure when there’s a fairly strong current to deal with . In other words , I can see it working . Using a presentation that ” goes with the flow ” has been good to me .

You might also want to try the Dreaded Evil Live Bait.  Get some smallish bream or panfish, hook ‘em, and let them swim around bleeding.  That can get the bass going.  (at least, that’s how my uncle caught his twelve pounder!) — lazarus I shave with Occam’s Razor every morning.

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I was headed home from Austin yesterday and stopped to fish a little. I tripped across a small honey hole of a river pool full of fish. It’s no more than ~30×50 yds., clear water, fast current in one area, solid smooth rock surrounding it. Absolutely no brush or weeds in or around the water. Depth varies from a couple of feet to unknown. Appears there are a couple of deep holes. Several underwater rock drop offs and overhangs. I first threw a little yellow grasshopper floater/diver in the current and caught a small guadalupe bass on the third cast. Caught 3 more on the next 3 casts. I could see what I think are many channel cats on the bottom. A couple looked to be about the size of my leg. Anyway, I caught about 8 bass in the first 30 minutes or so and then they just quit. I threw out just about everything in the tackle box and got only a single bump on a plastic worm. Just before I was going to leave, I went to the downstream side of the pool. It was a sheer drop off into the water. At about 8 ft. I was stunned to see a couple of dozen various bass holding. They would not even look at anything I put in the water. I ran everything I had by them, even literally hanging plastic worms in front of their faces and they just turned away. Can somebody please explain this? Were they just not hungry? Was it that the water was so clear that they wouldn’t look at anything that wasn’t natural bait? It was about 4:30 in the afternoon (about 1 1/2 hrs. before dark). I have a 13 yr. old girl who just got interested in fishing and she needs to catch some fish. This seems like an excellent chance for it. Tyler Hopper

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One of my best days fishing was at Kickapoo Creek outlet into Lake Livingston,smallmouth bass fly fishing Texas in the late spring of 1977.  I was fishing in my old Ouachita  but I’m not the tournament kinda guy if I get distracted–of course it is easy for me to be distracted since I have so many interests other than bassfishing. I caught 30 bass averaging 3 pounds for a total of 90 pounds within an hour! They were white bass, however, and no good for a weigh-in.  However, I did glean one or two dinky black bass from that area during the melee.  My arms were tired, let me tell you!  I catch and release all the time, regardless (except the world record black bass–if I catch that one I’ll release it into a holding tank). I was fishing conditions that I thought ideal for positioning/time of year.smallmouth bass fly fishing The creek outlet had made a sandbar (had a wet spring) that I ripped a Bomber Model A down.  The water coming from the creek was pretty dingy and there was some mixing with the lake water. The first strike was a JOLT! that I immediately thought was a beauty of a black bass; alas, not so.  But it weight 3.5 pounds.  I caught, weighed and released the other 29 after a helluva fight with each one, and the biggest weighed 3.8 and the smallest 2.10.  Great day on the water, even though it was foggy and still and that preceeded a helluva storm.  I got off the water, as always, when it begins to lightning,smallmouth bass fly fishing however far away (usually 3 miles).

A couple of years ago me and a buddy went up to Lake Pleasant.  It was a glorious spring day (which means February here in AZ).smallmouth bass fly fishing  We got into the back of a big cove and found white bass, crappie and largemouth having a feeding frenzy on the shad.  We were throwing some small pearl-colored soft plastic minnows he had brought along.  We were pulling one in on every 4th or 5th cast.  All we had to do was circle around the back of that bay all day chasing the shad. I don’t remember how many fish we took home that day.  There is no limit here on white bass or crappie, but it had to be 3 or 4 dozen each.

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A friend and I were fishing in New River in SW Virginia after a rainstorm 4 years ago in June.  After the rain stopped, the smallmouth bass starting biting everything we threw out.  We were primarily using “Little Lucies”, a small twirling worm and topwater baits;smallmouth bass fly fishing we caught 15 nice fish each, which we released. Later in the evening, my friend hooked a submarine of a musky, which promptly ran up the river….he never even slowed it down.  I pulled my line in…..and had a fish–A 5 inch redeye bass.  I did the only thing that I could think of, as I heard my friend’s line snap…..I hurled this fish in the general direction of the musky.  He promptly ate the fish, and stripped my drag before breaking my line also.  We sat and stared at each other, in shock, before resuming fishing. We hooked two other muskies that day, and despite landing none, it was one of the best fishing days ever.

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Great day when we throw what we could have boated in order to get a bigun! — Good Fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales!

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Probably my best day, except for my Mexico fishing,  was just this past Wed.  I cruised out to the Sacramento River to spend a couple days fishing from my boat.  (With cabin for overnite fishing.  It is very comfortable this way for us California sissys.)  About midnight, after 13 hours at the transom, I finally got my little nibble and bzzt of the clicker.  I hit it hard, and after a pretty good fight, including a breach, I landed a 58″, 50 lb Sturgeon!  I was fishing alone and the greatest challenge was to get the big critter in the boat!  Finally I got him in the net, on the swimstep, whacked him, and wrestled him into the fishbox.   What a great night, my biggest Sturgeon so far!  But not for long.  (‘course, this ain’t a Bass story, but it’s MY best story….)

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My best day on the water was july 19 1998.  I got into a school of bass where the first fish out was 5lbs 8oz, second fish..5lbs 13oz,  third fish 6lbs 13oz, the rest were 3lb class but That was the largest school as far as weight went that I have gotten into.  This happened in Ontario Canada Division 10.   I had a great day on the lake and hopefully this year will be as productive.

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Nice fish Wood,  I see by your bobber you like to use bait,  Good fishing

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My best day on the water was in the nuclear plant discharge canal in Russellville Arkanasas on the Arkansas River System’s Lake Dardanelle.  It was in August and the water was approaching the boiling point in that canal.  The bass were in there swirling against the rocks feeding on shad.  So I tied on a rattletrap and burned it along the rocks that whole day.  I caught so many bass to 5 pounds that I had “crankbait” elbow that night.  The catfish men there were so stunned they quit fishing just to watch me reel them in. What was your best day on the water?  And please no lude adventers with some “betty” that you met on a lonely dock somewhere. BAZZMAN

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Great thread!  My best day on the water bass fishing happened about 15 years ago on Lake Toho in central Florida.  My father & I burned up a 100 ct bag of fliptail 8″ worms on schooling bass in open water.  No giants were hooked, but we had about 80 1-3 pound bass in the boat that day.  BIG bluegills were jumping clear out of the water to avoid the carnage, which lasted for hours (we ran out of baits!).  I say this was my best day not because of the tons of fish, but because my dad was there to share it with me… Warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My best day on the water was in the nuclear plant discharge canal in Russellville Arkanasas on the Arkansas River System’s Lake Dardanelle.  It was in August and the water was approaching the boiling point in that canal.  The bass were in there swirling against the rocks feeding on shad.  So I tied on a rattletrap and burned it along the rocks that whole day.  I caught so many bass to 5 pounds that I had “crankbait” elbow that night.  The catfish men there were so stunned they quit fishing just to watch me reel them in. What was your best day on the water?  And please no lude adventers with some “betty” that you met on a lonely dock somewhere. BAZZMAN

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A couple of years ago me and a buddy went up to Lake Pleasant.  It was a glorious spring day (which means February here in AZ).  We got into the back of a big cove and found white bass, crappie and largemouth having a feeding frenzy on the shad.  We were throwing some small pearl-colored soft plastic minnows he had brought along.  We were pulling one in on every 4th or 5th cast.  All we had to do was circle around the back of that bay all day chasing the shad. I don’t remember how many fish we took home that day.  There is no limit here on white bass or crappie, but it had to be 3 or 4 dozen each. — Cal Dunigan       Trying to learn humility through the humiliation of fishing.

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I catch fish almost every time i go out fishing.swim baits for smallmouth bass I just cast away until i tie into a smallmouth bass. I would rather use a rapala than a plastic worm. With a worm and big hook… i seem to get a deeper hook set. Also with a lure i like the hit and almost instant hook set. I cast and cast and move and cast some more. The law of probablility and being on a half decent lake says you will catch fish. Even if you don”t it gives your mind a sense of relief. It is a break to something of little purpose from something that is suppose to have purpose but it doesn’t.swim baits for smallmouth bass..figure that one out. Pardon me now i’m going to open a cold I.P.A and do a light grease and oil job on my reel. I say light one because i don’t want to delve into the inner workings of my reel to the point that i cannot get the bugger back together ot have parts fly across the bar. cheers Al Have fishing rod…will travel….

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Well i did it. I took the spool/handle/faceplate off and did a light oil  and grease job. My Abu reel now runs as smooth as silk. Ready and preped for next outing..likely next week. Al Have fishing rod…will travel…swim baits for smallmouth bass. Just an  angler

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Sorry Al… I have to disagree with you here. Some days, you can’t buy a bite!

swim baits for smallmouth bassThe law of probablility and being on a half decent lake says you will catch fish. Al Have fishing rod…will travel…. Just an  angler

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Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Hi Sue, If you are in the pond, the fish are usually curious and will come to you. This will make the catching easier.  Also, two nets working in unison works well.  One net is held still and the other is used to guide the fish toward the other net. — Bonnie NJ http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Thanks so much for the advice, they were both wonderful. If I ever get IN that slimy pond, with the vertical sides, I would never get OUT – just too fat and old!! ha ha, can’t you just picture it now, slipping and sliding, while my husband holds the camcorder… and the cats dying with envy! Sue

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Bonnie Here is the NEW and IMPROVED, and what I hope will really be the FINAL version of `Summer Wheat Germ Bread for KOI”. It’s much lighter than the previous version and holds together well. When my hand gets cold while feeding them, I let go of what’s left and it floats to the top, where they all fight over it (nicely) ’til it’s gone. 1/8 cup Bisquick 1/8 cup raw wheat germ 1/4 tspn baking powder 2 egg yolks 1/4 cup frozen petite peas 1/4 cup dried or pre-cooked baby shrimp 3 oz. orange juice Thaw the peas, then put the peas, shrimp and orange juice in a blender, cover and blend at low speed. Mix the dry ingredients, then add the egg yolk, shrimp, etc. and mix well. Take a 6 x 9 inch microwaveable bread pan (or whatever), spray it with Pam (or whatever), pour in the batter and smooth it out with a spoon. Nuke it at 75% for 4 minutes, turn it 90 degrees and nuke for another 4 minutes at 75%. When you remove it from the microwave, invert the pan and tap the bread out onto the cutting board. After it cools, cut it into one inch squares and freeze or refrigerate until used. If you freeze ‘em (as I do), you’ll want to thaw them before feeding. Let me know. “I’m not really a chef, I stole the hat.” Who says I have too much time on my hands? — Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley (*&^)/                        Usenet for the Web

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Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Hi Sue, If you are in the pond, the fish are usually curious and will come to you. This will make the catching easier.  Also, two nets working in unison works well.  One net is held still and the other is used to guide the fish toward the other net. — Bonnie NJ http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Thanks so much for the advice, they were both wonderful. If I ever get IN that slimy pond, with the vertical sides, I would never get OUT – just too fat and old!! ha ha, can’t you just picture it now, slipping and sliding, while my husband holds the camcorder… and the cats dying with envy! Sue

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Bonnie Here is the NEW and IMPROVED, and what I hope will really be the FINAL version of `Summer Wheat Germ Bread for KOI”. It’s much lighter than the previous version and holds together well. When my hand gets cold while feeding them, I let go of what’s left and it floats to the top, where they all fight over it (nicely) ’til it’s gone. 1/8 cup Bisquick 1/8 cup raw wheat germ 1/4 tspn baking powder 2 egg yolks 1/4 cup frozen petite peas 1/4 cup dried or pre-cooked baby shrimp 3 oz. orange juice Thaw the peas, then put the peas, shrimp and orange juice in a blender, cover and blend at low speed. Mix the dry ingredients, then add the egg yolk, shrimp, etc. and mix well. Take a 6 x 9 inch microwaveable bread pan (or whatever), spray it with Pam (or whatever), pour in the batter and smooth it out with a spoon. Nuke it at 75% for 4 minutes, turn it 90 degrees and nuke for another 4 minutes at 75%. When you remove it from the microwave, invert the pan and tap the bread out onto the cutting board. After it cools, cut it into one inch squares and freeze or refrigerate until used. If you freeze ‘em (as I do), you’ll want to thaw them before feeding. Let me know. “I’m not really a chef, I stole the hat.” Who says I have too much time on my hands? — Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley (*&^)/                        Usenet for the Web

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Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Hi Sue, If you are in the pond, the fish are usually curious and will come to you. This will make the catching easier.  Also, two nets working in unison works well.  One net is held still and the other is used to guide the fish toward the other net. — Bonnie NJ http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Thanks so much for the advice, they were both wonderful. If I ever get IN that slimy pond, with the vertical sides, I would never get OUT – just too fat and old!! ha ha, can’t you just picture it now, slipping and sliding, while my husband holds the camcorder… and the cats dying with envy! Sue

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Bonnie Here is the NEW and IMPROVED, and what I hope will really be the FINAL version of `Summer Wheat Germ Bread for KOI”. It’s much lighter than the previous version and holds together well. When my hand gets cold while feeding them, I let go of what’s left and it floats to the top, where they all fight over it (nicely) ’til it’s gone. 1/8 cup Bisquick 1/8 cup raw wheat germ 1/4 tspn baking powder 2 egg yolks 1/4 cup frozen petite peas 1/4 cup dried or pre-cooked baby shrimp 3 oz. orange juice Thaw the peas, then put the peas, shrimp and orange juice in a blender, cover and blend at low speed. Mix the dry ingredients, then add the egg yolk, shrimp, etc. and mix well. Take a 6 x 9 inch microwaveable bread pan (or whatever), spray it with Pam (or whatever), pour in the batter and smooth it out with a spoon. Nuke it at 75% for 4 minutes, turn it 90 degrees and nuke for another 4 minutes at 75%. When you remove it from the microwave, invert the pan and tap the bread out onto the cutting board. After it cools, cut it into one inch squares and freeze or refrigerate until used. If you freeze ‘em (as I do), you’ll want to thaw them before feeding. Let me know. “I’m not really a chef, I stole the hat.” Who says I have too much time on my hands? — Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley (*&^)/                        Usenet for the Web

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Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Hi Sue, If you are in the pond, the fish are usually curious and will come to you. This will make the catching easier.  Also, two nets working in unison works well.  One net is held still and the other is used to guide the fish toward the other net. — Bonnie NJ http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Thanks so much for the advice, they were both wonderful. If I ever get IN that slimy pond, with the vertical sides, I would never get OUT – just too fat and old!! ha ha, can’t you just picture it now, slipping and sliding, while my husband holds the camcorder… and the cats dying with envy! Sue

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Bonnie Here is the NEW and IMPROVED, and what I hope will really be the FINAL version of `Summer Wheat Germ Bread for KOI”. It’s much lighter than the previous version and holds together well. When my hand gets cold while feeding them, I let go of what’s left and it floats to the top, where they all fight over it (nicely) ’til it’s gone. 1/8 cup Bisquick 1/8 cup raw wheat germ 1/4 tspn baking powder 2 egg yolks 1/4 cup frozen petite peas 1/4 cup dried or pre-cooked baby shrimp 3 oz. orange juice Thaw the peas, then put the peas, shrimp and orange juice in a blender, cover and blend at low speed. Mix the dry ingredients, then add the egg yolk, shrimp, etc. and mix well. Take a 6 x 9 inch microwaveable bread pan (or whatever), spray it with Pam (or whatever), pour in the batter and smooth it out with a spoon. Nuke it at 75% for 4 minutes, turn it 90 degrees and nuke for another 4 minutes at 75%. When you remove it from the microwave, invert the pan and tap the bread out onto the cutting board. After it cools, cut it into one inch squares and freeze or refrigerate until used. If you freeze ‘em (as I do), you’ll want to thaw them before feeding. Let me know. “I’m not really a chef, I stole the hat.” Who says I have too much time on my hands? — Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley (*&^)/                        Usenet for the Web

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Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Hi Sue, If you are in the pond, the fish are usually curious and will come to you. This will make the catching easier.  Also, two nets working in unison works well.  One net is held still and the other is used to guide the fish toward the other net. — Bonnie NJ http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Thanks so much for the advice, they were both wonderful. If I ever get IN that slimy pond, with the vertical sides, I would never get OUT – just too fat and old!! ha ha, can’t you just picture it now, slipping and sliding, while my husband holds the camcorder… and the cats dying with envy! Sue

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Bonnie Here is the NEW and IMPROVED, and what I hope will really be the FINAL version of `Summer Wheat Germ Bread for KOI”. It’s much lighter than the previous version and holds together well. When my hand gets cold while feeding them, I let go of what’s left and it floats to the top, where they all fight over it (nicely) ’til it’s gone. 1/8 cup Bisquick 1/8 cup raw wheat germ 1/4 tspn baking powder 2 egg yolks 1/4 cup frozen petite peas 1/4 cup dried or pre-cooked baby shrimp 3 oz. orange juice Thaw the peas, then put the peas, shrimp and orange juice in a blender, cover and blend at low speed. Mix the dry ingredients, then add the egg yolk, shrimp, etc. and mix well. Take a 6 x 9 inch microwaveable bread pan (or whatever), spray it with Pam (or whatever), pour in the batter and smooth it out with a spoon. Nuke it at 75% for 4 minutes, turn it 90 degrees and nuke for another 4 minutes at 75%. When you remove it from the microwave, invert the pan and tap the bread out onto the cutting board. After it cools, cut it into one inch squares and freeze or refrigerate until used. If you freeze ‘em (as I do), you’ll want to thaw them before feeding. Let me know. “I’m not really a chef, I stole the hat.” Who says I have too much time on my hands? — Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley (*&^)/                        Usenet for the Web

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Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Hi Sue, If you are in the pond, the fish are usually curious and will come to you. This will make the catching easier.  Also, two nets working in unison works well.  One net is held still and the other is used to guide the fish toward the other net. — Bonnie NJ http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Thanks so much for the advice, they were both wonderful. If I ever get IN that slimy pond, with the vertical sides, I would never get OUT – just too fat and old!! ha ha, can’t you just picture it now, slipping and sliding, while my husband holds the camcorder… and the cats dying with envy! Sue

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Bonnie Here is the NEW and IMPROVED, and what I hope will really be the FINAL version of `Summer Wheat Germ Bread for KOI”. It’s much lighter than the previous version and holds together well. When my hand gets cold while feeding them, I let go of what’s left and it floats to the top, where they all fight over it (nicely) ’til it’s gone. 1/8 cup Bisquick 1/8 cup raw wheat germ 1/4 tspn baking powder 2 egg yolks 1/4 cup frozen petite peas 1/4 cup dried or pre-cooked baby shrimp 3 oz. orange juice Thaw the peas, then put the peas, shrimp and orange juice in a blender, cover and blend at low speed. Mix the dry ingredients, then add the egg yolk, shrimp, etc. and mix well. Take a 6 x 9 inch microwaveable bread pan (or whatever), spray it with Pam (or whatever), pour in the batter and smooth it out with a spoon. Nuke it at 75% for 4 minutes, turn it 90 degrees and nuke for another 4 minutes at 75%. When you remove it from the microwave, invert the pan and tap the bread out onto the cutting board. After it cools, cut it into one inch squares and freeze or refrigerate until used. If you freeze ‘em (as I do), you’ll want to thaw them before feeding. Let me know. “I’m not really a chef, I stole the hat.” Who says I have too much time on my hands? — Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley (*&^)/                        Usenet for the Web

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Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Hi Sue, If you are in the pond, the fish are usually curious and will come to you. This will make the catching easier.  Also, two nets working in unison works well.  One net is held still and the other is used to guide the fish toward the other net. — Bonnie NJ http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Thanks so much for the advice, they were both wonderful. If I ever get IN that slimy pond, with the vertical sides, I would never get OUT – just too fat and old!! ha ha, can’t you just picture it now, slipping and sliding, while my husband holds the camcorder… and the cats dying with envy! Sue

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Bonnie Here is the NEW and IMPROVED, and what I hope will really be the FINAL version of `Summer Wheat Germ Bread for KOI”. It’s much lighter than the previous version and holds together well. When my hand gets cold while feeding them, I let go of what’s left and it floats to the top, where they all fight over it (nicely) ’til it’s gone. 1/8 cup Bisquick 1/8 cup raw wheat germ 1/4 tspn baking powder 2 egg yolks 1/4 cup frozen petite peas 1/4 cup dried or pre-cooked baby shrimp 3 oz. orange juice Thaw the peas, then put the peas, shrimp and orange juice in a blender, cover and blend at low speed. Mix the dry ingredients, then add the egg yolk, shrimp, etc. and mix well. Take a 6 x 9 inch microwaveable bread pan (or whatever), spray it with Pam (or whatever), pour in the batter and smooth it out with a spoon. Nuke it at 75% for 4 minutes, turn it 90 degrees and nuke for another 4 minutes at 75%. When you remove it from the microwave, invert the pan and tap the bread out onto the cutting board. After it cools, cut it into one inch squares and freeze or refrigerate until used. If you freeze ‘em (as I do), you’ll want to thaw them before feeding. Let me know. “I’m not really a chef, I stole the hat.” Who says I have too much time on my hands? — Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley (*&^)/                        Usenet for the Web

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Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Hi Sue, If you are in the pond, the fish are usually curious and will come to you. This will make the catching easier.  Also, two nets working in unison works well.  One net is held still and the other is used to guide the fish toward the other net. — Bonnie NJ http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, here is a stupid question. How in the world do I catch the 20 goldfish that are swimming around with the koi in a 2300 gal pond? I have left the net in the water, only one was dumb enough to stay in it.. Maybe I need a black net.. Sorry to be sooo dumb.  pond is 3 feet deep, vertical walls, plants on crates… Sue

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Thanks so much for the advice, they were both wonderful. If I ever get IN that slimy pond, with the vertical sides, I would never get OUT – just too fat and old!! ha ha, can’t you just picture it now, slipping and sliding, while my husband holds the camcorder… and the cats dying with envy! Sue

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Bonnie Here is the NEW and IMPROVED, and what I hope will really be the FINAL version of `Summer Wheat Germ Bread for KOI”. It’s much lighter than the previous version and holds together well. When my hand gets cold while feeding them, I let go of what’s left and it floats to the top, where they all fight over it (nicely) ’til it’s gone. 1/8 cup Bisquick 1/8 cup raw wheat germ 1/4 tspn baking powder 2 egg yolks 1/4 cup frozen petite peas 1/4 cup dried or pre-cooked baby shrimp 3 oz. orange juice Thaw the peas, then put the peas, shrimp and orange juice in a blender, cover and blend at low speed. Mix the dry ingredients, then add the egg yolk, shrimp, etc. and mix well. Take a 6 x 9 inch microwaveable bread pan (or whatever), spray it with Pam (or whatever), pour in the batter and smooth it out with a spoon. Nuke it at 75% for 4 minutes, turn it 90 degrees and nuke for another 4 minutes at 75%. When you remove it from the microwave, invert the pan and tap the bread out onto the cutting board. After it cools, cut it into one inch squares and freeze or refrigerate until used. If you freeze ‘em (as I do), you’ll want to thaw them before feeding. Let me know. “I’m not really a chef, I stole the hat.” Who says I have too much time on my hands? — Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley (*&^)/                        Usenet for the Web

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